Music Industry Wants Royalties From iTunes 30 Second Samples

[Drixxx]

Music royalty groups ASCAP and BMI are harassing online music stores such as iTunes to pay performance fees not only for the songs that they sell, but for the short clips that they use as previews. You know, the things that entice people to pay for music. They want to be paid for advertisements for their product.

http://gizmodo.com/5361697/music-ind...second-samples

[Drixxx]

And to think I almost felt guilty about stealing music.

[akatrex]

Originally Posted by Drixxx

Music royalty groups ASCAP and BMI are harassing online music stores such as iTunes to pay performance fees not only for the songs that they sell, but for the short clips that they use as previews. You know, the things that entice people to pay for music. They want to be paid for advertisements for their product.

http://gizmodo.com/5361697/music-ind...second-samples

Can you say "GREED"!

Hell we will all have to go back to buying $15 - $20 Dollar CD's for 2 good songs.

[Drixxx]

Originally Posted by akatrex

Hell we will all have to go back to buying $15 - $20 Dollar CD's for 2 good songs.

Ah, those were the days.

[KRCummings]

You linked a bullshit blog so I went to the actual article.
This is a comment from some asshole who wants more money:

"We make 9.1 cents off a song sale and that means a whole lot of pennies have to add up before it becomes a bunch of money," said Rick Carnes, president of the Songwriters' Guild of America. "Yesterday, I received a check for 2 cents. I'm not kidding"

I'm curious how that adds up.

[Drixxx]

But I like bullshit blogs.

[Karen Kraft]

Originally Posted by Drixxx

And to think I almost felt guilty about stealing music.

I thought Napster was the greatest thing since sliced foreskin. They never should have killed the kitten.

[gotsnowgotslush]

How much do they get from a 30 second song clip,
when it is used for a 30 second advertising commercial?

[Drixxx]

Originally Posted by gotsnowgotslush

How much do they get from a 30 second song clip,
when it is used for a 30 second advertising commercial?

$12.99 if they had their way.

[popcorn2721]

Originally Posted by KRCummings

You linked a bullshit blog so I went to the actual article.
This is a comment from some asshole who wants more money:

"We make 9.1 cents off a song sale and that means a whole lot of pennies have to add up before it becomes a bunch of money," said Rick Carnes, president of the Songwriters' Guild of America. "Yesterday, I received a check for 2 cents. I'm not kidding"

I'm curious how that adds up.

I was looking into that and I saw on the website for musicbizacademy that the rate goes up incrementaly every two years for songwriters or how the label will pay mechanical royalties aka controlled composition fees. The article stated that as of 2008 the fee was 8 cents. I guess you have to sell a shitload of records to make that work for ya.
On a side note, I have a buddy who just received his masters in studio production... He gave me a bit of a short breakdown of the music biz which to my untrained eye looks more like a mobster movie. Its a dirty, dirty industry with the big fish at the top gobbling up all the big money and the small time artist are suffering and scraping by daily each hoping they can get a chance to get "signed" which just means that the company is going to front you the money to produce your next record or two. There is a nondescript point system that lays out how much the company will pay for a song and nearly every artist out there has to rely on their second or third album to make money for them as the profits from the first are going to pay for production and promotion of the collective image and cds. Many artist have bands that break up, and leave them with scads of debt to the label (in one article in GuitarWorld, this guy was like 22 years old and owed 97k to a label cause his band broke up and left him in breach of contract with no way to recoup the costs).
Do I think songwriters should make more... of course I do, but charging for song fragments is just lame and will further alienate the record labels from musicians and fans alike.

[gotsnowgotslush]

I am so glad that the internet has provided a way for new musicians and vocalists and song writers to get known.
The world is filled to bursting, with people to hear them.

[ccwalt]

Originally Posted by Drixxx

Music royalty groups ASCAP and BMI are harassing online music stores such as iTunes to pay performance fees not only for the songs that they sell, but for the short clips that they use as previews. You know, the things that entice people to pay for music. They want to be paid for advertisements for their product.

http://gizmodo.com/5361697/music-ind...second-samples

Performers & songwriters deserve to be paid. It's there music. Do you work for free? Do you make a product and sell it for free? I doubt it. It's the same principle.

[Xstatic]

Originally Posted by ccwalt

Performers & songwriters deserve to be paid. It's there music. Do you work for free? Do you make a product and sell it for free? I doubt it. It's the same principle.

I think he knows that - and the performers DO get paid for the downloads from iTunes & similar services. The article is about performers wanting to get paid for the advertising that these services provide, AS WELL AS the full song.

Now, I freely admit that I have no business sense, but I always thought that advertising was something that people paid for, rather than got paid for?

[ccwalt]

Originally Posted by Xstatic

I think he knows that - and the performers DO get paid for the downloads from iTunes & similar services. The article is about performers wanting to get paid for the advertising that these services provide, AS WELL AS the full song.

Now, I freely admit that I have no business sense, but I always thought that advertising was something that people paid for, rather than got paid for?

If you use their material in any way, shape or form you should pay for it.

[off2bed]

Tough shit. "Fair Use" includes publishing "portions" of copyrighted work (as opposed to the entire thing).

I don't want to go back to the days when you took a gamble at the record store, not knowing if you were buying one good song and nine pieces of shit.

Even the grocery store deli gives out a free slice of lunch meat so you can try it.

[firespin]

Originally Posted by Drixxx

And to think I almost felt guilty about stealing music.

Originally Posted by Drixxx

But I like bullshit blogs.

With some people, I'd think this account had been hacked and somebody was messing with it, posting stupid fake self-revelations.

But in this case, not so much.

[SaintPeter]

Tell them to keep their hands off my streaming radio.

Thanks.

[Detrious]

I've been burned enough times buying a cd after hearing one track, only to find out that the rest of it sucks ass big style, so those 30 seconds of preview are important to me...

Can't the record companies realise that people need to hear somthing before they want to buy it, and that not everything gets radio airplay?

Ah, hang on, they want money, they don't care....

[firespin]

Two posts in five years? You must be really worked up about this issue.

[Drixxx]

Originally Posted by ccwalt

Performers & songwriters deserve to be paid. It's there music. Do you work for free? Do you make a product and sell it for free? I doubt it. It's the same principle.

The music industry has gotten way more than their fair share of my money. If they can't figure out how to fairly and effectively sell and distribute their products, fuck'em. The greedy bastards deserve what they get.

[hogjack]

The anti-capitalists are out in droves. Socialism is winning.

[Detrious]

Originally Posted by firespin

Two posts in five years? You must be really worked up about this issue.

Incandescent with rage...

Or I just joined in 04 but did nothing about it back then, and only just got my password back

[SgtSpiderMan]

Originally Posted by Drixxx

The music industry has gotten way more than their fair share of my money. If they can't figure out how to fairly and effectively sell and distribute their products, fuck'em. The greedy bastards deserve what they get.

The music industry dropped the ball 13 years ago and have tried to play catch up ever since. The music industry & artists need to figure out new ways to make money.

[ccwalt]

Originally Posted by Drixxx

The music industry has gotten way more than their fair share of my money. If they can't figure out how to fairly and effectively sell and distribute their products, fuck'em. The greedy bastards deserve what they get.

You have a choice. Don't buy their product.

[phrodeau]

I want to get paid for wearing clothes with logos on them. Enough of the free advertising.