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09-01-2009, 08:17 PM
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One Term
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Why He's Losing
Political guru Charlie Cook is predicting Democrats will lose 20+ seats in the House of Representatives next year. Pollsters Zogby, Gallup, Rasmussen all show a striking downward trajectory of public approval for this administration, across almost every major demographic group. So why is this happening?
It's true that President Obama won last November because people wanted a change from Bush policies. But for many independent voters, that meant an end to dirty politics and Washington excess -- promises Obama made at every stop along the campaign trail. Instead what they got is what most conservatives predicted -- huge deficits, higher taxes, a ballooning federal government, and a weak, appeasement-first foreign policy. Heck, when we can't even convince Scotland to keep the despised Lockerbie bomber behind bars, you know we've lost ground.
Some -- such as David Brooks of the New York Times -- suggest Obama's in trouble because liberals in Washington hold too much sway over his administration. Newsflash: HE IS A LIBERAL! He is obsessed with climate change. He adores socialized medicine. He wants to jack taxes even higher. Obama, in other words, is a typical 80s Ivy League liberal who still thinks Reagan got it all wrong. Far from being too influenced by lefty powerbrokers, the president has breathed them new life.
In the end, history will likely show that when Obama started dropping in the polls, it wasn't because "he took on too much at once" or "because he wasted time negotiating with Chuck Grassley." He lost ground because his ideas were rejected by the American people, just as they were after the Carter era.
Most Americans want the government to tighten its belt and clear the way for businesses to expand. We want real economic growth, fueled by dynamic companies creating new job opportunities. Fake growth, enabled by government make-work and financed by Chinese lenders, is a lot less popular -- and, for that matter, sustainable.
For all the recent discussion of the Kennedy dynasty and Obama's glamor, the reality is that even from the grave, Reagan is still beating Democrats on the issues that matter most.
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09-01-2009, 08:22 PM
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Doesn't matter as long as Ron Paul keeps his.
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09-01-2009, 08:41 PM
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and yet last I saw...still no gains for the GOP. That is all that really matters in my opinion. No more War. No more torture. No more turning the blind eye to those Americans without health care. I love the return we have gotten on the TARP...remember that? The thing the GOP bitched about left and right. 17.5% Not bad of a return in this economy if you ask me.
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09-01-2009, 08:54 PM
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and yet last I saw...still no gains for the GOP. That is all that really matters in my opinion. No more War. No more torture. No more turning the blind eye to those Americans without health care. I love the return we have gotten on the TARP...remember that? The thing the GOP bitched about left and right. 17.5% Not bad of a return in this economy if you ask me.
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09-01-2009, 08:55 PM
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and yet last I saw...still no gains for the GOP. That is all that really matters in my opinion. No more War. No more torture. No more turning the blind eye to those Americans without health care. I love the return we have gotten on the TARP...remember that? The thing the GOP bitched about left and right. 17.5% Not bad of a return in this economy if you ask me.
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Tarp 1 was Bush's not Bam's.
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09-01-2009, 09:02 PM
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Right now there are few checks and balances and it always makes the electorate nervous.
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09-01-2009, 09:31 PM
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Right now there are few checks and balances and it always makes the electorate nervous.
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In the UK -- or any country with a parliamentary system -- there are never any checks or balances, save question time and the ballot box; yet the people do not appear to live in a constant state of anxiety.
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It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead -
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
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09-01-2009, 09:42 PM
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Liberal terrorist chica
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Thanks.
From this page ...
http://www.cookpolitical.com/charts/...7_16-15-31.php
Democrats currently have 26 seats listed as Lean or Toss Up (6 toss up).
Republicans currently have 13 seats listed as Lean or Toss Up (4 toss up).
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09-01-2009, 09:45 PM
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Live Like You Got A Pair
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On the left it takes a while to sink in... 
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09-01-2009, 10:59 PM
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Some -- such as David Brooks of the New York Times -- suggest Obama's in trouble because liberals in Washington hold too much sway over his administration. Newsflash: HE IS A LIBERAL!
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Newsflash: SO IS AMERICA!
At this point, Obama is actually rather right of the center.
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IX. The Courtyard
It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead -
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
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09-02-2009, 10:35 AM
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and yet last I saw...still no gains for the GOP. That is all that really matters in my opinion. No more War.
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No more war. We're still bogged down in the ones W started, and Obama seems none too eager to pull out of Afghanistan. That could be a problem for Obama's domestic agenda, as Vietnam was a problem for LBJ's.
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IX. The Courtyard
It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead -
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
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09-02-2009, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Beco
Most Americans want the government to tighten its belt and clear the way for businesses to expand. We want real economic growth, fueled by dynamic companies creating new job opportunities.
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Where are the Americans who are demanding that specific domestic spending programs be cut?  Even the birther nut cases who are condemning "socialized medicine" are not demanding an end to the Medicare they benefit from.
As far as "new job opportunities" are concerned, there is nearly always more job creation when a Democrat is in the White House. Republicans like a high unemployment rate because it relieves employees of the need to compete for employees. |
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09-02-2009, 11:46 AM
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Where are the Americans who are demanding that specific domestic spending programs be cut? Even the birther nut cases who are condemning "socialized medicine" are not demanding an end to the Medicare they benefit from.
As far as "new job opportunities" are concerned, there is nearly always more job creation when a Democrat is in the White House. Republicans like a high unemployment rate because it relieves employers of the need to compete for employees. |
WTF! Why? (cite)
What has Obama done (or even mentioned) to stimulate business growth?
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Also - in his not quite eight months in office Obama has spent more than all other US presidents - combined. Think about that.
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09-02-2009, 12:57 PM
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Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record
Originally Posted by The_Trouvere View Post
As far as "new job opportunities" are concerned, there is nearly always more job creation when a Democrat is in the White House. Republicans like a high unemployment rate because it relieves employers of the need to compete for employees.
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The Wall Street Journal, January 9, 2009
"President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.
"His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton’s administration."
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/...ord-on-record/
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During the administration of Jimmy Carter there were an average of 2,600,000 jobs created per year. During the administration of Ronald Reagan there were an average of 2,000,000 jobs created per year.
The highest rate of unemployment during the Carter Administration was 7.8% in July 1980. The highest rate of unemployment during the Reagan Administration was 10.8% in November and December 1982.
http://www.p360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Se...d=44&count=all |
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09-02-2009, 01:12 PM
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What has Obama done (or even mentioned) to stimulate business growth?
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U.S. manufacturing sees first rise in 19 months.
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IX. The Courtyard
It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead -
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
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09-02-2009, 01:15 PM
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And what did Obama do that had anything to do with that?
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09-02-2009, 01:27 PM
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I think President Obama's support is declining because the U.S. economy continues to lose jobs. Most Americans are not ideologues. They care about whether and how well something works, and particularly, how well it works for them.
In a column that appeared September 1, 2009 in The Wall Street Journal, and entitled, "What Happened to the 'Depression'?" Allan H. Meltzer wrote, "If the recession ends this summer—as many experts predict—the record will show that it was not very different from other postwar recessions."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...435353734.html
Even if the recession ends in the fall, the job market has plenty of time to recover by November 2010. If it does, President Obama and the Democrats will get the credit. |
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09-02-2009, 03:37 PM
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I think President Obama's support is declining because the U.S. economy continues to lose jobs. Most Americans are not ideologues. They care about whether and how well something works, and particularly, how well it works for them.
In a column that appeared September 1, 2009 in The Wall Street Journal, and entitled, "What Happened to the 'Depression'?" Allan H. Meltzer wrote, "If the recession ends this summer—as many experts predict—the record will show that it was not very different from other postwar recessions."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...435353734.html
Even if the recession ends in the fall, the job market has plenty of time to recover by November 2010. If it does, President Obama and the Democrats will get the credit. |
It's also because he promised his stimlus package would save jobs and it would level off at 8%. Well now its 12% and possibly climbing and possible they're cooking the books, so we might never know. Its because he is way too far left than anyone imagined, he is jaming bills down the throats of Americans and he is spending money like a drunk sailor! THATS WHY HIS RATINGS ARE FALLING!!
By the way, the recession is over and jobs won't recover anytime soon, you know, what jobs??? no jobs out there
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09-02-2009, 03:40 PM
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Live Like You Got A Pair
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Originally Posted by The_Trouvere
I think President Obama's support is declining because the U.S. economy continues to lose jobs. Most Americans are not ideologues. They care about whether and how well something works, and particularly, how well it works for them.
In a column that appeared September 1, 2009 in The Wall Street Journal, and entitled, "What Happened to the 'Depression'?" Allan H. Meltzer wrote, "If the recession ends this summer—as many experts predict—the record will show that it was not very different from other postwar recessions."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...435353734.html
Even if the recession ends in the fall, the job market has plenty of time to recover by November 2010. If it does, President Obama and the Democrats will get the credit. |
The Summer is almost over, the recession won't end until next year.
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In America we solve problems in one of three ways, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, or the Cartridge Box.
I have no reverence for the U.S. Constitution, none for the men who signed it, and certainly none for James Madison, who wrote most of it ~ The_Trouvere
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09-02-2009, 03:41 PM
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Live Like You Got A Pair
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Originally Posted by The_Trouvere View Post
As far as "new job opportunities" are concerned, there is nearly always more job creation when a Democrat is in the White House. Republicans like a high unemployment rate because it relieves employers of the need to compete for employees.
The Wall Street Journal, January 9, 2009
"President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.
"His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton’s administration."
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/...ord-on-record/
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During the administration of Jimmy Carter there were an average of 2,600,000 jobs created per year. During the administration of Ronald Reagan there were an average of 2,000,000 jobs created per year.
The highest rate of unemployment during the Carter Administration was 7.8% in July 1980. The highest rate of unemployment during the Reagan Administration was 10.8% in November and December 1982.
http://www.p360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Se...d=44&count=all |
How many has Obama created?
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R. J. Wiedemann LtCol. USMC Ret
In America we solve problems in one of three ways, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, or the Cartridge Box.
I have no reverence for the U.S. Constitution, none for the men who signed it, and certainly none for James Madison, who wrote most of it ~ The_Trouvere
All Muslims are not members of al Qaeda, but all members of al Qaeda are Muslims, and any Muslim might be a member of al Qaeda ~ Stratfor.
"Artillery Brings Dignity to What Would Otherwise Be Just A Vulgar Brawl"
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09-02-2009, 03:46 PM
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How many has Obama created?
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Move them goalposts, grampa! 
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09-02-2009, 03:50 PM
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Live Like You Got A Pair
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...of course his performance isn't Germain...and sacrosanct.
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R. J. Wiedemann LtCol. USMC Ret
In America we solve problems in one of three ways, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, or the Cartridge Box.
I have no reverence for the U.S. Constitution, none for the men who signed it, and certainly none for James Madison, who wrote most of it ~ The_Trouvere
All Muslims are not members of al Qaeda, but all members of al Qaeda are Muslims, and any Muslim might be a member of al Qaeda ~ Stratfor.
"Artillery Brings Dignity to What Would Otherwise Be Just A Vulgar Brawl"
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It's also because he promised his stimlus package would save jobs and it would level off at 8%. Well now its 12% and possibly climbing and possible they're cooking the books, so we might never know. Its because he is way too far left than anyone imagined, he is jaming bills down the throats of Americans and he is spending money like a drunk sailor! THATS WHY HIS RATINGS ARE FALLING!!
By the way, the recession is over and jobs won't recover anytime soon, you know, what jobs??? no jobs out there
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Spending: in his not quite eight months in office Obama has spent more than all other US presidents - combined
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09-02-2009, 03:56 PM
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Live Like You Got A Pair
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Spending: in his not quite eight months in office Obama has spent more than all other US presidents - combined
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Liberals are immune to nuclear warfare.
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In America we solve problems in one of three ways, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, or the Cartridge Box.
I have no reverence for the U.S. Constitution, none for the men who signed it, and certainly none for James Madison, who wrote most of it ~ The_Trouvere
All Muslims are not members of al Qaeda, but all members of al Qaeda are Muslims, and any Muslim might be a member of al Qaeda ~ Stratfor.
"Artillery Brings Dignity to What Would Otherwise Be Just A Vulgar Brawl"
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Alinski!!
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