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All of which goes to show that the impeachment process is nothing but a massive waste of the taxpayers money. Purely a partisan reality TV ego boost for all the participants, which type of displays the yanks excel at.
 
No, it's not. It's an absolutely necessary move to stand up for the form of government established in the United States.
 
Get off your ass and go look up “hearsay”
The adults need you to do your own homework and stop feeding off of propaganda
Hearsay is used ALL the time in court

Hearing Trump say things is NOT hearsay

He was heard on the phone discussing classified Topics that could endanger the Ukraine. Gee, you think the Russians at the front would like to know the Ukrainians are running short on javelins? Yes, it’s lethal aid that help our arms producers! The money goes right in their pockets.

We all read his “Perfect” (imperfect transcription) of his phone call
Now he says Giuliani after on his own? Does he think our memories are that bad?
He is treating us like we are fools.

Trump has no clue where his powers end and his desires to be like Putin start

Putin is laughing his ass off at the US!
 
KeithD said:
No, it's not. It's an absolutely necessary move to stand up for the form of government established in the United States.
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LOL no it's not, that has not a fucking thing to do with it.

Trump doesn't change or threaten anything about the form of government established in the US.

The only people threatening that are the (D)'s who want to shit can the EC and Statehood in general.
 
The pull out or marry moment may be past. Some political careers may be over.
 
magicalmoments said:
All of which goes to show that the impeachment process is nothing but a massive waste of the taxpayers money. Purely a partisan reality TV ego boost for all the participants, which type of displays the yanks excel at.
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The impeachment hearings were held in closed sessions, and the news was limited to reporting whoever showed up at the gate. Care to guess why that changed?
 
BotanyBoy said:
I bet they never allow it..."We had to investigate!! But it's so close to the election we thought it best for the people to decide." .
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You mean like when the Republicans stole the Supreme Court seat? I certainly hope the Dems don't sink to that level.

But there's no reason to believe they will, at least not for any reason pertaining to Hunter Biden. We know how he got the cushy job: good old fashioned nepotism. Which probably should be illegal, but isn't.
 
YDB95 said:
You mean like when the Republicans stole the Supreme Court seat? I certainly hope the Dems don't sink to that level.
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Republicans did no such thing...they just played the game.

Dems don't have the authority to sink to that level so no worries.

YDB95 said:
But there's no reason to believe they will, at least not for any reason pertaining to Hunter Biden. We know how he got the cushy job: good old fashioned nepotism. Which probably should be illegal, but isn't.
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Why should it be illegal???
 
YDB95 said:
You mean like when the Republicans stole the Supreme Court seat? I certainly hope the Dems don't sink to that level.

But there's no reason to believe they will, at least not for any reason pertaining to Hunter Biden. We know how he got the cushy job: good old fashioned nepotism. Which probably should be illegal, but isn't.
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Hunter Biden's Ukraine job isn't nepotism. Ivanka's and Jarid's jobs are nepotism. Biden's was influence seeking, which isn't good, but that's not what nepotism is. Nepotism is giving jobs to your own relatives or friends, not seeking favor of someone by employing their relatives or friends. The Trump "administration" has done a lot of both.
 
KeithD said:
Hunter Biden's Ukraine job isn't nepotism. Ivanka's and Jarid's jobs are nepotism. Biden's was influence seeking, which isn't good, but that's not what nepotism is. Nepotism is giving jobs to your own relatives or friends, not seeking favor of someone by employing their relatives or friends. The Trump "administration" has done a lot of both.
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Good point.
 
I honestly find the impeachment kerfuffle to be boring and tiresome.

Feel free to impeach Trump because he's allowing/contributing to a genocide in Yemen... not that they'd do that because the only thing that's bipartisan these days is waging illegal, unconstitutional wars that destroy other countries.... feel free to call him out on that.... not because he maybe kinda sorta might have asked the Ukranian president to maybe kinda do something that maybe kinda he shouldn't have asked him to do.

I would be flabbergasted if literally every president hasn't pulled this on other countries.

It's a shallow argument. I'm not surprised most people are uninterested in it.

Just try to run someone who isn't crazy as fuck in 2020 and beat him.

I think Dems who are putting all their eggs in the impeachment basket are holding on to yet another pipe dream. And honestly, they're dividing their attention.

The primary field is a joke right now. Just run someone sane and you should beat Trump no problem.
 
Ltimmy82 said:
I honestly find the impeachment kerfuffle to be boring and tiresome.

Feel free to impeach Trump because he's allowing/contributing to a genocide in Yemen... not that they'd do that because the only thing that's bipartisan these days is waging illegal, unconstitutional wars that destroy other countries.... feel free to call him out on that.... not because he maybe kinda sorta might have asked the Ukranian president to maybe kinda do something that maybe kinda he shouldn't have asked him to do.

I would be flabbergasted if literally every president hasn't pulled this on other countries.

It's a shallow argument. I'm not surprised most people are uninterested in it.

Just try to run someone who isn't crazy as fuck in 2020 and beat him.

I think Dems who are putting all their eggs in the impeachment basket are holding on to yet another pipe dream. And honestly, they're dividing their attention.

The primary field is a joke right now. Just run someone sane and you should beat Trump no problem.
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Apparently you don't find it boring enough not to post provocatively about it on the Internet. :rolleyes:

Your agenda is showing.
 
...... is that not a valid opinion to hold on the subject? Sorry, wasn't aware I was forbidden from chiming in with my two cents.
 
Of course you can chime in. Just don't expect the rest of us to buy it.
 
Federal prosecutors are ramping things up in an investigation related to President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, The Wall Street Journal reports, and there may be a whole bunch of charges awaiting people involved, though it's not clear why Giuliani personally falls under the microscope.

Subpoenas have been issued to people with ties to Giuliani and his associates, Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas, as part of an investigation led by the Manhattan U.S. attorney's office and the FBI. Fruman and Parnas, two Soviet-born American businessmen who have allegedly aided Giuliani in his quest to find compromising information on Trump's political opponents in Ukraine, have already been hit with campaign finance charges, to which they've pleaded not guilty.

The latest round of subpoenas reportedly seek information on Giuliani's security-consulting firm, Giuliani Partners, which the former New York City mayor founded in 2002, and a company founded by Parnas that paid Giuliani for business and legal advice. Giuliani said he was not contacted by prosecutors himself and denies any wrongdoing.

Among the charges reportedly under consideration in the subpoenas are obstruction of justice, money laundering, conspiracy to defraud the United States, making false statements to the federal government, serving as an agent of a foreign government without registering with the Justice Department, donating funds from foreign nationals, making contributions in the name of another person or allowing someone else to use one's name to make a contribution, along with mail fraud and wire fraud.
 
Rudy Giuliani volunteered to be the low-hanging fruit for prosecution.
 
DawnONight said:
SecretSapphic said:
The Republican defense to the impeachment hearings seems NOT to claim that Trump is somehow innocent, but rather that Donald Trump has the power to do whatever he wants, even if it's illegal, improper, unconstitutional or even if it harms America's national security.
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Please cite an example of a Republican claiming that.
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Still no reply.

Meanwhile...

D. Rufful, Poll: Only 34 Percent Of Independents Support Impeachment Analyzing America (Nov. 26, 2019).
 
The Republican ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Doug Collins (Ga.) said that Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) must testify in the next phase of impeachment hearings... because “Adam Schiff is the author of this report. Adam Schiff has been the author of many things, a lot of them found to be false over the past couple of years.”​

B. Cartright, ‘It’s Easy to Hide Behind a Report’: Calls Mount for Adam Schiff to Testify, IJR (Dec 1, 2019).
 
DawnONight said:
The Republican ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Doug Collins (Ga.) said that Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) must testify in the next phase of impeachment hearings... because “Adam Schiff is the author of this report. Adam Schiff has been the author of many things, a lot of them found to be false over the past couple of years.”​

B. Cartright, ‘It’s Easy to Hide Behind a Report’: Calls Mount for Adam Schiff to Testify, IJR (Dec 1, 2019).
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The impeachment process is a purely political event and has zero comparisons to a court of law. An impeachment proceeding could be compared to building an aircraft at 30,000 ft., the rules are made on the fly, precedence means absolutely nothing. It will boil down to pure political power, ( who has the majority ).

What makes this one different is that the call for impeachment started before the president was even inaugurated and snowballed from there. There is a credibility gap starting with the early chants for impeachment from the likes of Maxine Waters and Al Green to Comey's leaking to assure the appointment of a special counsel which led to a criminal investigation and now we have a suspect whistleblower.

There is a chain of deceit starting from day ( 1 ) and the american people are beginning to see through it. The senate trial and removal of a president is still political theory and has never happened to completion. The rules of the senate are not even conjured up yet.

My opinion, the reason there is so much ambivalence to this particular impeachment process is the weakness on which it is based . Schiff and Nadler have failed on so many levels to impress the american people that this president should be removed. What's more evident is that the political left knows it can't win this fight, the only reason to continue it is to shape opinions for political gain just before the 2020 elections, a tactic used in 2018 with the Mueller report ( a report that fell flat ).

Why does this concern me, because, the use of impeachment for political gain is kind of TYRANNY by majority. Just think, if the left had majorities in both houses, where would we be today, possibly the removal of a president based on likability.
 
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magicalmoments writes: "All of which goes to show that the impeachment process is nothing but a massive waste of the taxpayers money."

The U.S. Democratic Party has NEVER been at all hesitant to waste taxpayer money, magicalmoments. They're only doing this because they won control of the House of Representatives in 2018, and figured that they might never again have the necessary votes to make it happen! And when the Mueller Report came up empty, Adam Schiff figured that Trump's Ukraine phone-call was all he had left.

KeithD writes: "It's an absolutely necessary move to stand up for the form of government established in the United States."

I fully agree, Keith - and when the U.S. Senate vindicates President Trump I just hope that the Trump-haters who currently dominate the Democratic Party have the maturity to avoid getting all hysterical and venting their frustration against our government (and U.S. Constitution) like they did in November of 2016!

OrLaTime writes: "Putin is laughing his ass off at the US!"

The Democratic Party has certainly given him a lot to laugh at, haven't they?

KeithD adds: "Hunter Biden's Ukraine job isn't nepotism."

We'll get a much better idea about Hunter Biden's cushy Ukraine oil & gas job when he's called in to testify in the U.S. Senate trial over Adam Schiff's objections!

Ltimmy82 writes: "I honestly find the impeachment kerfuffle to be boring and tiresome."

That's probably because the House Democrats forged ahead without having a case worth pursuing, and everybody knows it. The national news media has TRIED to get behind the Democrats, but even THEY now acknowledge that there's nothing there! I just wonder how this forum's Trump-haters will re-act when this whole thing implodes! Whatever will they do then?
 
icanhelp1 said:
The impeachment process is a purely political event and has zero comparisons to a court of law. An impeachment proceeding could be compared to building an aircraft at 30,000 ft., the rules are made on the fly, precedence means absolutely nothing. It will boil down to pure political power, ( who has the majority ).

What makes this one different is that the call for impeachment started before the president was even inaugurated and snowballed from there. There is a credibility gap starting with the early chants for impeachment from the likes of Maxine Waters and Al Green to Comey's leaking to assure the appointment of a special counsel which led to a criminal investigation and now we have a suspect whistleblower.

There is a chain of deceit starting from day ( 1 ) and the american people are beginning to see through it. The senate trial and removal of a president is still political theory and has never happened to completion. The rules of the senate are not even conjured up yet.

My opinion, the reason there is so much ambivalence to this particular impeachment process is the weakness on which it is based on. Schiff and Nadler have failed on so many levels to impress the american people that this president should be removed. What's more evident is that the political left knows it can't win this fight, the only reason to continue it is to shape opinions for political gain just before the 2020 elections, a tactic used in 2018 with the Mueller report ( a report that fell flat ).

Why does this concern me, because, the use of impeachment for political gain is kind of TYRANNY by majority. Just think, if the left had majorities in both houses, where would we be today, possibly the removal of a president based on likability.
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Whilst at the moment there is a president practicing tyranny by minority .
His sense of inferiority knows no bounds as should be well aware that he has not achieved popularity with the majority of Americans .
 
domroger writes: "Whilst at the moment there is a president practicing tyranny by minority."

Yeah, Roger - the Democratic Party is very likely poised to become America's "minority party" for quite some time following this current failed witchhunt/coup. But, as President Obama so aptly put it back in 2009: "Elections matter!"

"His sense of inferiority knows no bounds as should be well aware that he has not achieved popularity with the majority of Americans."

Everybody says that Barack Obama achieved personal popularity while simultaneously DESTROYING his own party's majorities in the U.S. House & Senate! He & Michelle would even contribute to Hillary Clinton's defeat in 2016 by hitting the campaign trail alongside her, overestimating their influence with their own party's black voters. President Trump is actually luring black Americans AWAY from the Democrats and into supporting the G.O.P. in 2020!

And thanks to the Democrats overplaying their hand in the Brett Kavanaugh U.S. Supreme Court confirmation fight in the summer of 2018, President Trump & his party are even STRONGER now in the all-important U.S. Senate! This, of course, points to a sure-thing win for the president in any upcoming Senate-trial, and it also bodes well when the president names a replacement-pick for Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsburg upon her departure from our nation's highest court!
 
midwest

domroger said:
Whilst at the moment there is a president practicing tyranny by minority .
His sense of inferiority knows no bounds as should be well aware that he has not achieved popularity with the majority of Americans .
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really. take a bus trip around the country. Forget the polls
 
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