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DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN FOR YOUR SINS?

  • YES

    Votes: 48 16.4%

  • NO

    Votes: 148 50.5%

  • I ALREADY ACCEPTED JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BEFORE

    Votes: 62 21.2%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 35 11.9%
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phrodeau said:
Is that how God changed from hateful to loving?
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God has always been Love.

God has always been full of grace (Psalm 116:5; Joel 2:13), and people have always been saved by faith in God (Genesis 15:6). God did not change between the Old and New Testaments (Numbers 23:19; Psalm 55:19). The same God who gave the Law also gave Jesus (John 3:16). His grace was demonstrated through the Law by providing the sacrificial system to cover sin. Jesus was born “under the law” (Galatians 4:4) and became the final sacrifice to bring the Law to fulfillment and establish the New Covenant (Luke 22:20).
 
RedShambhala said:
Last month, my father died. I always had a complicated love/hate relationship to him. He was pretty much an atheist, "at best" an agnostic with a vague, passionless belief in the theoretical possibility of "something" out there, and if Bible (or the Qu'ran for that matter) are true, he is burning in hell now.

Personally, I'm not sure if I'm really that much of an atheist myself. I was always fascinated with the three Abrahamic religions and had been considering to convert to one of them for years before I finally gave it up.

Especially Christianity, especially Reformed Christianity was always deeply attractive to me; with its emphasis on being predestined, elected, chosen to be a pilgrim on this bitter, wretched earth, where you don't have an actual home anyway but seek one to come - the heavenly Jerusalem, etc.

Thinking about my father's death, I have also come to the conclusion that the idea of an afterlife is not necessarily more comforting than the idea of an actual end. And I'm not even talking about hell now, but about the idea of his "soul" now watching over us, the idea of our loved ones being in heaven and rejoicing when we pray, etc.

The idea of being watched out of a heavenly surveillance station feels are intrusive and creepy. The idea of an actual, factual end is much more comforting and soothing to me. There's something peaceful and conciliative about the idea of an actual end.

Also, I think one of the problems I had with Christianity is that after studying the Bible and theological literature from various sources, that the so-called "fundamentalists" are actually far more honest about the Bible and far more consistent. "Fundamentalism" at least has an inner logic, an inner honesty. They really take the Bible at face value and don't just interpret everything away.

By contrast, I was watching an interview with Cornel West (the left-wing Marxist philosopher you might know from Bill Maher's show, etc.) and, well, he's a Christian.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?168013-1/depth-cornel-west

So in this interview, people called in and asked him all kinds of questions ... and one dude was sceptical about him being a Christian, and asked him, "Do you even go to church? When was the last time you read the Bible?" - West then gave a passionate defense of Black liberation theology and MLK and so on, and said that the last passage in the Bible he read was 1 Corinthians 15:31, where Paul speaks about how he "dies daily" --- and West interpreted this passage that for the Christian, the homophobia, the racism, the sexism and so on "must die daily within oneself".

So I looked at the context of the passage and it read:



So, the passage is simply an argument against those who did not believe in the resurrection of the dead. Paul says, the dead are raised and this is important for our faith, and because of the resurrection, he has the willigness and the ability "to die every day" and sacrifice himself for the cause of Christ.

And this is ... one of the many examples coming to head my now where I think, You can either be dishonest with the sources but then get something morally and ethically good out of it ... or you can be honest with your sources and then get something morally and intellectually terrible out of it.

I used to believe that Christianity is good but only individual Christians wicked and stupid. Lately I think the opposite is the case: Christianity (and Islam, etc.) is wicked and stupid and only individual Christians are good ... if they are NOT honest about what the Bible actually says.

Once they really ARE honest, you get what we describe as "fundamentalism"

Well.
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Sounds like you are on the right track. Remember that a person isn't truly a Christian just because they call them self one. They are truly a Christian if they are truly born again. Most professing Christians are not born again, which is required to be a Child of God. They don't truly believe God and it's evident because they reject His word and or manipulate or change it to fit what they would like to be true, rather than conforming their own beliefs to what God actually says in His word. Fundamental Christians believe in doing just that. Conforming to Gods' word rather than trying to conform God's word to what we would like to be true. That's believing God and taking Him at HIS word. For the Bible IS God's word and to be taken seriously. I am a fundamental Christian. I am giving the Gospel as the scripture actually says you must be saved. I would hope that you would be willing to pray and ask Jesus Christ to be your Lord and Savior the way the Bible actually says. Would you be willing to pray and ask Him to save you?


Pray this right now from your heart to God, if you are willing to accept Jesus Free gift of salvation:


"Dear Lord Jesus, I believe that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, save me, take me to be with You when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven
 
All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid--
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.

Amen.

---Monty Python
 
phrodeau said:
Ask yourself, if you have people with whom you have a loving relationship, do you feel any desire to test them?

Who does that? King Lear maybe? Donald Trump? Kim Jong-un?
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God is the King of the Universe who wants to bestow great responsibilities on mankind if they will serve Him and show Him that they are faithful. The tests will let God know what kind of person each Christian is and what type of job they are suitable for in eternity. A wise King does that. A foolish one puts people in positions untested.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
God is the King of the Universe who wants to bestow great responsibilities on mankind if they will serve Him and show Him that they are faithful. The tests will let God know what kind of person each Christian is and what type of job they are suitable for in eternity. A wise King does that. A foolish one puts people in positions untested.
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Sounds like a celestial North Korea.

Is there wi-fi in heaven?
 
Richard_P_Feynman said:
If God is omniscient, why does a benevolent God need a test? :confused:
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Exactly. It's an example of the great paradox. If the Christian god is all-powerful, he cannot be all good, and if he is all good, he can't be all-powerful, because that much power means taking responsibility for evil.
 
phrodeau said:
I’ll be sure to beg God not to lead me into temptation.
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James 1 : 13 When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

James 1 : 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.

Lead us not into temptation implies that God has control over the tempter and can save us from his power if we call upon Him.

SEVERUSMAX said:
Exactly. It's an example of the great paradox. If the Christian god is all-powerful, he cannot be all good, and if he is all good, he can't be all-powerful, because that much power means taking responsibility for evil.
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God is not responsible for evil as evil is simply that abscence of God. Right now we are being allowed to choose what we want to believe. One day God will prevail over evil.
 
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phrodeau said:
I’ll be sure to beg God not to lead me into temptation.
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1st, it is not "temptation", the translations are wrong. It's trials. Leads us not into trials. And you're taking it too far, it's a prayer, not a deflection.

It's like if you say: God help me remain in peace and serenity. You must work at it, not God make you serene......

In the same way, you asking to help you, to not cause yourself, to enter into trials.
 
phrodeau said:
All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid--
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.

Amen.

---Monty Python
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Really? A poem by a circus comedian?

Don't be a moron on purpose.

I'm gonna post a poem, but this it a Lit forum, so i'll post it in its own thread.
 
EternalFantasies said:
1st, it is not "temptation", the translations are wrong. It's trials. Leads us not into trials. And you're taking it too far, it's a prayer, not a deflection.

It's like if you say: God help me remain in peace and serenity. You must work at it, not God make you serene......

In the same way, you asking to help you, to not cause yourself, to enter into trials.
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Jesus told us that we should tell God not to test us.

Get back to us once you've completely figured out exactly what the Bible says and which one to use.
 
Que said:
"If?"

Temptation is always available. If He were to interfere with that, there would be no point to life on Earth. Life is the test.
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I agree that life is a test. Is a test to see who will choose salvation through Jesus Christ and he will. It is a test to see who will believe God and who will not. It is a test to see what Christians will be willing to do for the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
I agree that life is a test. Is a test to see who will choose salvation through Jesus Christ and he will. It is a test to see who will believe God and who will not. It is a test to see what Christians will be willing to do for the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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Other than rudely insisting that others follow your peculiar brand of Christianity what is it that you are willing to do for the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ?
 
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