Go Back   Literotica Discussion Board > Main Literotica Forums > Authors' Hangout

Reply
 
Thread Tools

Old 11-26-2017, 11:04 PM   #1
DevinRush
Virgin
 
DevinRush is offline
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 13
Has Literotica been used as the "free" part of a freemium way of sharing erotica?

I've stumbled upon Literotica over the years and read stories here and there. Now that I see how much community is here, I guess I wish I'd signed up for an account a long time ago. As it is, I only just recently considered sharing the erotic fiction I've written, and I only just signed up today.

I have a multi-part series of stories that could easily turn into the equivalent of an entire short novel if I ever finish it. I'm deciding how much to share with people and how/where to do it.

I have a couple of questions not really addressed in the FAQ...

1.
Have people used Literotica to share two or three select chapters of an erotic novel, then made the full novel available for purchase at some other place? I don't see any reason why someone couldn't do that. There's a policy that stories shouldn't contain hyperlinks, but authors' biographies can. Has anyone done this, and have they found it to be a successful way to share their erotic fiction?

What do I mean by "successful"?
Successful could include just posting for free on Literotica and enjoying whatever feedback you receive.
Successful could also include selling erotic fiction online and making a small but measureable amount of money each month.
Successful, for me, would not include going to all the hassle of putting your fiction behind a paywall and then having three people buy it in ten years.

Please note: I respect the community aspect of Literotica. I do NOT consider my work to be better than that of the many people here who have made their good work available for free. I just want to know what precedent there is and what options there are.

2.
I haven't seen Literotica stories in which there are illustrations placed within stories (in the style of Six Times a Day http://six.clubetchi.com/6td/part-001). Is there a way of doing that here? I'm guessing not, but let me know if I'm wrong.
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-26-2017, 11:14 PM   #2
TxRad
Dirty Old Man
 
TxRad's Avatar
 
TxRad is offline
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 36,001
1: Yes it can be done and has been done but the result were not good when people (readers and the management) figured it out.

Your first two options under successful is done by many here.

2: I do believe there is an Illustrated story section. I haven't used it. I have used the stories with audio.
__________________
Why yes, I am a dirty old man. Thanks for asking.

All Stories By TxRad

What doesn't kill you, will make you stronger.
Not to mention, battered, bruised, contused,
and completely dazed and confused.
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-27-2017, 02:15 AM   #3
Bramblethorn
Mallory Heart Surgeon.
 
Bramblethorn's Avatar
 
Bramblethorn is offline
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 7,615
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinRush View Post
1.
Have people used Literotica to share two or three select chapters of an erotic novel, then made the full novel available for purchase at some other place? I don't see any reason why someone couldn't do that.
It's been done, but deliberately posting an incomplete story with no intention of completing it here is kinda sleazy and your story is likely to get taken down here if any of the readers here report that you've done it.

Quote:
There's a policy that stories shouldn't contain hyperlinks, but authors' biographies can. Has anyone done this, and have they found it to be a successful way to share their erotic fiction?
Depends what your standards for "successful" are, but I've certainly sold a few stories this way. I post them free on Literotica, make them available on Smashwords for a few dollars, and Lit readers who feel like tipping me or want something formatted for an e-reader occasionally buy 'em.

Quote:
What do I mean by "successful"?
Successful could include just posting for free on Literotica and enjoying whatever feedback you receive.
Successful could also include selling erotic fiction online and making a small but measureable amount of money each month.
Successful, for me, would not include going to all the hassle of putting your fiction behind a paywall and then having three people buy it in ten years.
FWIW, I've had about 50 sales on Smashwords in the last four years. That's with zero work on promoting them beyond making a cover and writing blurbs, and with only four stories published in that time. Authors who write faster and put more into promotion would presumably do better.

Quote:
2.
I haven't seen Literotica stories in which there are illustrations placed within stories (in the style of Six Times a Day http://six.clubetchi.com/6td/part-001). Is there a way of doing that here? I'm guessing not, but let me know if I'm wrong.
https://www.literotica.com/faq/05238710.shtml#06028542
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-27-2017, 02:37 AM   #4
electricblue66
Literotica Guru
 
electricblue66 is offline
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Oz
Posts: 2,854
As TxRad notes, if you do your 1 (ie: post teaser chapters to get a following and then say, "right, you can now pay to see the rest of it") you won't be popular. It's basically spam, which is a site no-no. Readers will likely vote it down and flame you.

"Successful" - what the others say.

Illustrations - yes, you can do this, the limitation is the story defaults to the "Illustrated" category rather than a targeted content category.
__________________
electricblue

My stories: https://www.literotica.com/stories/m...ge=submissions
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-27-2017, 01:22 PM   #5
Soma99
Really Really Experienced
 
Soma99's Avatar
 
Soma99 is offline
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: New York
Posts: 308
Follow up question on the illustrated part.

Iím not artist and donít have anyone to model for me. Can you use publicly available pictures from google images in your story? I assume no, but was wondering.

I would love to write a collection of short stories that start with a picture and then tell whatís going on. I believe there was a thread in the writers challenges area about this.
__________________
These are my stories, let me know if you enjoy them!

https://www.literotica.com/stories/m...ge=submissions
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-27-2017, 02:55 PM   #6
TxRad
Dirty Old Man
 
TxRad's Avatar
 
TxRad is offline
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 36,001
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soma99 View Post
Follow up question on the illustrated part.

Iím not artist and donít have anyone to model for me. Can you use publicly available pictures from google images in your story? I assume no, but was wondering.

I would love to write a collection of short stories that start with a picture and then tell whatís going on. I believe there was a thread in the writers challenges area about this.
You must have the copyright on any photos or drawings from the way I understand it.
__________________
Why yes, I am a dirty old man. Thanks for asking.

All Stories By TxRad

What doesn't kill you, will make you stronger.
Not to mention, battered, bruised, contused,
and completely dazed and confused.
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-27-2017, 03:35 PM   #7
electricblue66
Literotica Guru
 
electricblue66 is offline
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Oz
Posts: 2,854
Quote:
Originally Posted by TxRad View Post
You must have the copyright on any photos or drawings from the way I understand it.
http://www.literotica.com/faq/06025613.shtml#06188484

Scroll down - the rules regarding photos (and by extension, illustrations) are provided.
__________________
electricblue

My stories: https://www.literotica.com/stories/m...ge=submissions
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-27-2017, 03:54 PM   #8
Bramblethorn
Mallory Heart Surgeon.
 
Bramblethorn's Avatar
 
Bramblethorn is offline
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 7,615
Quote:
Originally Posted by TxRad View Post
You must have the copyright on any photos or drawings from the way I understand it.
"You must have a legal right from the copyright owner to post any images - i.e. photographs/drawings that you yourself created and/or have a license or other permission to post."

By my reading, that would cover cases where the owner has released the image for public use, and some of the more generous Creative Commons licenses (although certain attribution requirements may clash with the "no URLs/advertising" rule).

Finding erotica available under those licenses is another matter...
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-27-2017, 07:49 PM   #9
DevinRush
Virgin
 
DevinRush is offline
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bramblethorn View Post
It's been done, but deliberately posting an incomplete story with no intention of completing it here is kinda sleazy and your story is likely to get taken down here if any of the readers here report that you've done it.

Depends what your standards for "successful" are, but I've certainly sold a few stories this way. I post them free on Literotica, make them available on Smashwords for a few dollars, and Lit readers who feel like tipping me or want something formatted for an e-reader occasionally buy 'em.
Hi TxRad, Bramblethorn, and ElectricBlue. Thanks for your advice.

Bramblethorn, I like the idea you suggested -- of just posting all my stuff on Literotica for free, while leaving open the option of publishing an e-book later that has the same content. The e-book could be a way of "tipping," as you say.

Additionally, since I like the idea of adding illustrations to my stories but I also know that is a lot of work that I may never get around to doing (I am a better writer than I am an illustrator), I like the idea of sharing my stuff for free now, with the option of possibly putting together some illustrations later for a published e-book.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bramblethorn View Post
Okay, so I was wrong about this not being in the FAQ. I think I must have noticed the illustrated category at one point in the past, but I completely forgot about it. Thanks.
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-27-2017, 08:34 PM   #10
sr71plt
Literotica Guru
 
sr71plt's Avatar
 
sr71plt is offline
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mid-Atlantic, USA
Posts: 51,756
I do it the other way around. I publish to the marketplace and at some time in the future post it for free use. That way it's established who published it first.
__________________
______________________
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-27-2017, 09:24 PM   #11
Bramblethorn
Mallory Heart Surgeon.
 
Bramblethorn's Avatar
 
Bramblethorn is offline
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 7,615
Quote:
Originally Posted by sr71plt View Post
I do it the other way around. I publish to the marketplace and at some time in the future post it for free use. That way it's established who published it first.
FWIW, I'm pretty sure Pilot's approach makes more money per book than mine does, and if you're looking to approach writing as a business it's probably a better example to follow.

The reason I've taken a different approach is based on my personal circumstances. I need a relaxing hobby more than I need a third job, so for me it's better if I don't treat writing as a business. I enjoy the non-paying readers here on Literotica, and on the occasions when somebody does go buy a copy I think of that as a bonus. It's what works for me; other people's mileage may vary considerably.
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-27-2017, 11:10 PM   #12
sr71plt
Literotica Guru
 
sr71plt's Avatar
 
sr71plt is offline
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mid-Atlantic, USA
Posts: 51,756
I don't treat writing as a business. My publishers probably do, but that would be their problem. I write what I want to write as a retirement activity. If it makes money, that's just a bonus. I would write it anyway if it didn't. My method of publishing to the marketplace first probably comes from working in the industry and having drilled into me that if you give it away for free to begin with, that's what you've valued it at--zero. Some place like Amazon certainly wouldn't let you publish through them if they knew you had given it away for free to begin with. (That's what courts will value it at too if you make it to a court with something you started off publishing for free--so you can forget protection your proprietary rights from the get go.)
__________________
______________________
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-28-2017, 11:29 AM   #13
8letters
Literotica Guru
 
8letters is online now
Join Date: May 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 873
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinRush View Post
I've stumbled upon Literotica over the years and read stories here and there. Now that I see how much community is here, I guess I wish I'd signed up for an account a long time ago. As it is, I only just recently considered sharing the erotic fiction I've written, and I only just signed up today.

I have a multi-part series of stories that could easily turn into the equivalent of an entire short novel if I ever finish it. I'm deciding how much to share with people and how/where to do it.
:
Are you asking "Is publishing stuff on Literotica a great way to start my career as a writer?" If so, then the answer is no. Very few writers have parlayed their success on Literotica into a writing career. But then again, I don't know of any better way of starting a writing career.

My advice is to publish on Literotica with the assumption that you'll never receive financial benefit from your writing.
__________________
Blog on my writing.

Latest story - My Cookie-Baking Sister

Most popular stories - My European Summer Vacation, My Sister Set Me Up on a Blind Date and My Lingerie-Loving Sister Moves In
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-28-2017, 01:57 PM   #14
Handley_Page
Draco interdum Vincit
 
Handley_Page's Avatar
 
Handley_Page is offline
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 59,636
I love this site;
I get to learn new words. "Freemium"
WTF?
__________________
.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Handley Page

Incident at Cemetery Junction.
" Pest Control."
"Mavis's Car Trip."
"Norman-the-dragon. "
"Stacy & the Angel. "
" Earth Tremor on Stage ? "
" Charlie's Story. "
" How to do Audio. "
http://www.literotica.com/stories/me...php?uid=883259
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-28-2017, 02:50 PM   #15
Bramblethorn
Mallory Heart Surgeon.
 
Bramblethorn's Avatar
 
Bramblethorn is offline
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 7,615
Quote:
Originally Posted by Handley_Page View Post
I love this site;
I get to learn new words. "Freemium"
WTF?
Freemium: the first taste is free, but for the premium content you have to pay.
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-28-2017, 05:21 PM   #16
Handley_Page
Draco interdum Vincit
 
Handley_Page's Avatar
 
Handley_Page is offline
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 59,636
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bramblethorn View Post
Freemium: the first taste is free, but for the premium content you have to pay.
Thank You;
I didn't know it is a real word !
__________________
.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Handley Page

Incident at Cemetery Junction.
" Pest Control."
"Mavis's Car Trip."
"Norman-the-dragon. "
"Stacy & the Angel. "
" Earth Tremor on Stage ? "
" Charlie's Story. "
" How to do Audio. "
http://www.literotica.com/stories/me...php?uid=883259
  Reply With Quote

Old 11-28-2017, 05:50 PM   #17
EquinoxRising
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by Handley_Page View Post
Thank You;
I didn't know it is a real word !
I didn't either before now.
  Reply With Quote

Old 12-01-2017, 11:20 AM   #18
Carnevil9
King of Jesters.
 
Carnevil9's Avatar
 
Carnevil9 is offline
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Location, Location, Location
Posts: 6,793
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bramblethorn View Post
Freemium: the first taste is free, but for the premium content you have to pay.
A time-honored practice among dope pushers for generations. Also used by CBS for it's new Star Trek: Discovery television series.
__________________
Think youíve conquered your gag reflex? Read my latest drivel!

Newest Story! - You Have To Go To Mass! - How far will Mom go to convince her son to go to Mass with her?
The Mermaid - How DO you fuck a creature without a pussy?
Porn With The Wind - Plantation owner's daughter jonesing for some hot Slave Cock!
Pee Party! - Urine for some fun now!!
Femme Fatale - Super Secret Agent meets a deadly Russian vixen bent on his sexual destruction!
Hand Job Slut 1: The Awakening - The saga begins!! And Ends!! All eleven thrilling episodes are now on-line.
An Hour Before The Wedding - She's not married just yet, and isn't wasting a minute of time

And all the REST of my crap!

Discuss my stories (or suggest new ones) at my new Carnevil9 Tumblr page! Now with PICTURES!!!
  Reply With Quote

Old 12-01-2017, 06:26 PM   #19
Bramblethorn
Mallory Heart Surgeon.
 
Bramblethorn's Avatar
 
Bramblethorn is offline
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 7,615
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnevil9 View Post
A time-honored practice among dope pushers for generations. Also used by CBS for it's new Star Trek: Discovery television series.
It's especially noxious in the world of social computer games. Back when I was a kid, software companies would release demo versions - you could try out a few levels of a game for free, and then if you wanted to keep going you had to pay maybe $50 to get the full version, or some fixed-rate monthly subscription.

But the newer stuff doesn't have that hard boundary between demo and paid. You can do everything for free, in theory... but it's designed so the difficulty starts ramping up, and it gets more and more attractive to spend maybe a dollar on a one-time boost to make it easier. It doesn't feel like cheating because people know they could do it without the help, it's just saving them a little time.

Then the difficulty gets harder and they want a few more boosts, and those dollars really start adding up. Some people end up spending hundreds or thousands a month: https://venturebeat.com/2013/03/14/w...e-just-gamers/
  Reply With Quote

Old 12-03-2017, 08:42 AM   #20
Requiax
Experienced
 
Requiax is offline
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: UK
Posts: 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinRush View Post
I've stumbled upon Literotica over the years and read stories here and there. Now that I see how much community is here, I guess I wish I'd signed up for an account a long time ago. As it is, I only just recently considered sharing the erotic fiction I've written, and I only just signed up today.

I have a multi-part series of stories that could easily turn into the equivalent of an entire short novel if I ever finish it. I'm deciding how much to share with people and how/where to do it.

I have a couple of questions not really addressed in the FAQ...

1.
Have people used Literotica to share two or three select chapters of an erotic novel, then made the full novel available for purchase at some other place? I don't see any reason why someone couldn't do that. There's a policy that stories shouldn't contain hyperlinks, but authors' biographies can. Has anyone done this, and have they found it to be a successful way to share their erotic fiction?

What do I mean by "successful"?
Successful could include just posting for free on Literotica and enjoying whatever feedback you receive.
Successful could also include selling erotic fiction online and making a small but measureable amount of money each month.
Successful, for me, would not include going to all the hassle of putting your fiction behind a paywall and then having three people buy it in ten years.
It's worth remembering that not every potential reader of erotic fiction reads Literotica. There are a great many people out there who enjoy erotica and only read what they can purchase on Amazon or Smashwords or other e-reader based sites.

Putting a novel or partwork for free (entirely) on Literotica and then putting it on Amazon, Smashwords etc. (or vice versa) isn't going to mean nobody will buy your book because they can get it for free - the only demographic you are potentially excluding from buying your work are people who both buy erotica and browse Literotica. If you imagine it as a Venn diagram, the majority of potential readers are probably in one or the other circle, with only a smaller portion coming into both.

So I personally don't see publishing here as something which might hurt potential sales, unless you are a stalwart believer in never giving anyone anything for free and want your work only to be made available if people are willing to compensate you financially, in which case, why share it on Literotica at all? Just publish for e-reader and work hard on marketing it and getting it out there to paying readers and don't rely on a site like Lit to do your marketing for you.

I have seen authors who publish stories here (in their entirety) and then sell them as well and it doesn't seem to have hurt them too much to do that. DH Jonathan's 'The "Volunteer"' seems to be doing alright on Amazon and even in bookshops in spite of the fact that it was originally available for free in its entirety here for several years.

I suppose if you wanted to draw freebie readers into becoming paying readers you could emphasise a difference between a paid-for work and its free equivalent - for example, posting a work here first and then re-working it, perhaps expanding it (adding more chapters, or improving what is already here) before making available on Amazon and Smashwords. That way, readers who enjoyed the work for free might feel willing to spend a couple of bucks because they are getting a bit more, but those who just read the story here don't feel cheated or forced into paying just to find out what happens.

Or you could post as a partwork on a regular schedule here, and publish on Amazon/Smashwords a little way into that? That way, Lit readers know they will get the story without being forced to pay, provided they are patient, but those who can't wait and want to read the ending before you get it on here can buy the book to do so. That's slightly better for the audience than putting 3 chapters here and then saying "the only way to find out how this ends is to pay me".
__________________
ďBy the time this is over, I'll have done something weird to everyone...Ē

Nude Day 2018 Contest Entry: N.I.P - Nina in Public

Literotica Stories: Requiax
Amazon author page: A D Rowen
Twitter: @therequiax
  Reply With Quote

Old 12-03-2017, 09:50 AM   #21
LiamHDunn
Literotica Guru
 
LiamHDunn is offline
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 794
Amazon is known to check for "copywriter" issues, to "protect the actual author", pulling any material they find appearing in whole or in part on other sites until the issue can be cleared up. So, posting a part of your work here can cause you problems on Amazon.
  Reply With Quote

Old 12-03-2017, 01:02 PM   #22
sr71plt
Literotica Guru
 
sr71plt's Avatar
 
sr71plt is offline
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mid-Atlantic, USA
Posts: 51,756
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiamHDunn View Post
Amazon is known to check for "copywriter" issues, to "protect the actual author", pulling any material they find appearing in whole or in part on other sites until the issue can be cleared up. So, posting a part of your work here can cause you problems on Amazon.
I think "check for" is going too far. Amazon reacts to challenges given them--and then in only a very narrow way. If a couple of authors point out specific works by an "author" belong to them or already were published to Amazon by someone else, Amazon will maybe pull those but it will leave 45 other obviously stolen works by the thief on Amazon.
__________________
______________________
  Reply With Quote

Old 12-04-2017, 01:44 PM   #23
Carnevil9
King of Jesters.
 
Carnevil9's Avatar
 
Carnevil9 is offline
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Location, Location, Location
Posts: 6,793
Quote:
Originally Posted by Handley_Page View Post
I love this site;
I get to learn new words. "Freemium"
WTF?
Fun fact: It's also the name for the most sensitive part of your dick.
__________________
Think youíve conquered your gag reflex? Read my latest drivel!

Newest Story! - You Have To Go To Mass! - How far will Mom go to convince her son to go to Mass with her?
The Mermaid - How DO you fuck a creature without a pussy?
Porn With The Wind - Plantation owner's daughter jonesing for some hot Slave Cock!
Pee Party! - Urine for some fun now!!
Femme Fatale - Super Secret Agent meets a deadly Russian vixen bent on his sexual destruction!
Hand Job Slut 1: The Awakening - The saga begins!! And Ends!! All eleven thrilling episodes are now on-line.
An Hour Before The Wedding - She's not married just yet, and isn't wasting a minute of time

And all the REST of my crap!

Discuss my stories (or suggest new ones) at my new Carnevil9 Tumblr page! Now with PICTURES!!!
  Reply With Quote

Old 12-04-2017, 04:55 PM   #24
Bramblethorn
Mallory Heart Surgeon.
 
Bramblethorn's Avatar
 
Bramblethorn is offline
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 7,615
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnevil9 View Post
Fun fact: It's also the name for the most sensitive part of your dick.
That's the frenulum...
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:47 PM.

Copyright 1998-2013 Literotica Online. Literotica is a registered trademark.