how should pregnant addicts be dealt with?

[dolf]

gimme your ideal of what should happen, assuming funding is no issue.

[Saint Peter]

Why would we expect a pregnant addict to make better choices than all the other addicts? I like the whole pursuit of happiness thing. If you want to be strung out, be strung out. Who am I to tell you how to live?

Bringing a baby into the mix complicates my stance. Incarcerate the mother until the baby comes out? How else to you keep a user that wants to use from using?

[dolf]

Originally Posted by Saint Peter

Why would we expect a pregnant addict to make better choices than all the other addicts? I like the whole pursuit of happiness thing. If you want to be strung out, be strung out. Who am I to tell you how to live?

Bringing a baby into the mix complicates my stance. Incarcerate the mother until the baby comes out? How else to you keep a user that wants to use from using?

prison, or a specialist, secure rehab/hospital unit?

[Saint Peter]

Originally Posted by dolf

prison, or a specialist, secure rehab/hospital unit?

It is all prison to the pregnant addict that does not want to be there.

A good time for a reboot. Clean up for nine months and consider the future and the new responsibility in your life. I am sure some would give up the life and focus more on raising the baby rather than getting high.

[glynndah]

I suppose it all depends on the addict. Some want to get clean and do the "right" thing; others don't.

How many people are we talking about? Treating one person in a small town could be different from thousands of people in a heavily populated area.


Can you really round up an entire group of people and incarcerate them for their own good?

Yes, I realize this does nothing to actually answer the question.

[dolf]

Originally Posted by Saint Peter

It is all prison to the pregnant addict that does not want to be there.

A good time for a reboot. Clean up for nine months and consider the future and the new responsibility in your life. I am sure some would give up the life and focus more on raising the baby rather than getting high.

do you think mainstream prison is a safe, healthy, drug free place to keep them?

it would seem to meet few of the recommendations for pregnancy.

[domroger]

Originally Posted by dolf

do you think mainstream prison is a safe, healthy, drug free place to keep them?

it would seem to meet few of the recommendations for pregnancy.

This is OP is a poser ,but after some thought the health of the unborn baby is paramount .
A specialist secure unit is the way to go as normal prisons are rife with drugs .

[Saint Peter]

Originally Posted by dolf

do you think mainstream prison is a safe, healthy, drug free place to keep them?

it would seem to meet few of the recommendations for pregnancy.

I did not say that. The Betty Ford Clinic had tennis courts and massage tables. Still, no matter how nice the environment, many addicts have decide to check out and go back to their evil ways.

Not prison. Cost was no option, right? For the sake of discussion place the expecting junkies in Betty Ford.

The truth is some of the mothers will not clean up. We have seen alcohol abuse screw kids up. Then coke, now meth. America has a generation of grand parents caring for kids while the using parents are out getting loaded.

Makes me sad.

[neci]

to have rehab and inpatient available for those who choose it.

free sterilization post pregnancy.

i do not believe in locking someone up, unless they break the law, and unless you decide to outlaw fetal harm via alcohol as well, i don't think you can reason it otherwise. as horrid as it is, you must have a decent system in place to care for the child born addicted, malnourished, early and with severe developmental delays.

[dolf]

Originally Posted by domroger

This is OP is a poser ,but after some thought the health of the unborn baby is paramount .
A specialist secure unit is the way to go as normal prisons are rife with drugs .

drugs, violence, poor nutrition, limited exercise, not enough on site medical care, high stress... all things that can put a pregnancy at risk.

[girlsmiley]

Originally Posted by dolf

gimme your ideal of what should happen, assuming funding is no issue.

What should happen? What kind of question is that? Dream land again, dolf?

Literotica of all places. For fuck's sake.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Back about 2001 I hadda client who came outta prison clean and sober (inside 2 years) with her GED and a pocket fulla testimonials as to her redemption. She didn't stay clean 30 days and went back to prison for dealing. Her kids were little so I terminated her parental rights.

[girlsmiley]

Oh, I see. It's another one of those threads.

Let's see how sick these fuckers really are and get this thread to page six.

Let's all talk about how to "deal" with these women and their "issues" until we are blue in the face and resolve NOTHING.

You're sick. You're fucking sick in the head.

[dolf]

Originally Posted by JAMESBJOHNSON

Back about 2001 I hadda client who came outta prison clean and sober (inside 2 years) with her GED and a pocket fulla testimonials as to her redemption. She didn't stay clean 30 days and went back to prison for dealing. Her kids were little so I terminated her parental rights.

hell just froze over, because i agree with your opinion.

yes, parents deserve second chances. but they don't deserve continual chances at the cost of their kids' stability.

[Killswitch]

Addicted to what exactly.

There are lots of addictions and parental illnesses that are detrimental to children.

[pmann]

Originally Posted by dolf

do you think mainstream prison is a safe, healthy, drug free place to keep them?

it would seem to meet few of the recommendations for pregnancy.

I've done extensive work volunteering in prisons over the years. These days I mostly do volunteer work in women's prisons.

Drugs are available in prison. However, much less so than on the outside. Nearly everyone is prison is an addict. Even if they aren't in there for drug related charges, their crimes are drug related. Not everyone in prison is using drugs. You have to have something to give up for the drugs and a lot of people just don't have that.

If money was just available and it was no issue, a mandatory rehab facility would be my choice. No leaving. In effect, it would be prisony. But you're not sharing a cell with a murderer. You're receiving medical care and you're there with other addicts.

However, that's in a really idealistic world.

I have to say the view people have of prison is extremely different than the actual relating of prison. For the most part, it IS a safe, healthy place for people. It certainly has its problems. But when you consider the number of people who go through prisons, the type of people and the number of problems that exist, the odds aren't too bad. I'm only talking about a safe place to live. I'm not saying it changes people for the better. It doesn't. But for the sake of this argument, prison IS a relatively safe and drug free place.

[dolf]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Addicted to what exactly.

There are lots of addictions and parental illnesses that are detrimental to children.

booze & hard drugs.

there are, as you say, lots of illnesses that cause problems. a schizophrenic or an epileptic will have to compromise on what is ideal and what is realistic, but that's a very different situation to someone drinking heavily.

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by dolf

booze & hard drugs.

there are, as you say, lots of illnesses that cause problems. a schizophrenic or an epileptic will have to compromise on what is ideal and what is realistic, but that's a very different situation to someone drinking heavily.

Spousal abuse, child abuse, infidelities as well. Drinking is actually a harder subject for families and children than (enter drug of choice)

These are the hidden dangers.....harder to spot but equally as damaging.

We blow mentally damaged folks off like a red headed step child in this country and half our jails are filled with people that should be being treated.

[dolf]

Originally Posted by pmann

I've done extensive work volunteering in prisons over the years. These days I mostly do volunteer work in women's prisons.

Drugs are available in prison. However, much less so than on the outside. Nearly everyone is prison is an addict. Even if they aren't in there for drug related charges, their crimes are drug related. Not everyone in prison is using drugs. You have to have something to give up for the drugs and a lot of people just don't have that.

If money was just available and it was no issue, a mandatory rehab facility would be my choice. No leaving. In effect, it would be prisony. But you're not sharing a cell with a murderer. You're receiving medical care and you're there with other addicts.

However, that's in a really idealistic world.

I have to say the view people have of prison is extremely different than the actual relating of prison. For the most part, it IS a safe, healthy place for people. It certainly has its problems. But when you consider the number of people who go through prisons, the type of people and the number of problems that exist, the odds aren't too bad. I'm only talking about a safe place to live. I'm not saying it changes people for the better. It doesn't. But for the sake of this argument, prison IS a relatively safe and drug free place.

thank you! it's helpful to hear the opinions of someone with real experience with and understanding of the prison experience.

[dolf]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Spousal abuse, child abuse, infidelities as well. Drinking is actually a harder subject for families and children than (enter drug of choice)

These are the hidden dangers.....harder to spot but equally as damaging.

illegal drugs and physical abuse are easier to identify and categorise than booze, i guess. there's no harm in having a glass, so seeing a pregnant woman drinking doesn't call for the same reaction that seeing a woman with broken ribs or a crack pipe would.
but FAS is nasty. my sister worked with babies of addicts when she was training, and said that booze was horrific in the effects it had.

it's all pretty depressing stuff!

in the US a pregnant woman can be imprisoned for drinking too much, in the UK nothing can be done against her will. neither way seems ideal to me.

[zipman]

Originally Posted by girlsmiley

Oh, I see. It's another one of those threads.

Let's see how sick these fuckers really are and get this thread to page six.

Let's all talk about how to "deal" with these women and their "issues" until we are blue in the face and resolve NOTHING.

You're sick. You're fucking sick in the head.

Wow. You went from zero to crazy in just 2 posts.

That might be a new Lit record.

Congrats!

[girlsmiley]

Originally Posted by zipman

Wow. You went from zero to crazy in just 2 posts.

That might be a new Lit record.

Congrats!

Umm...hello.

You'd have to be crazy to post in this thread.

Clearly.

Pete, Glynndah. Just saying.

[pointless]

Originally Posted by dolf

illegal drugs and physical abuse are easier to identify and categorise than booze, i guess. there's no harm in having a glass, so seeing a pregnant woman drinking doesn't call for the same reaction that seeing a woman with broken ribs or a crack pipe would.
but FAS is nasty. my sister worked with babies of addicts when she was training, and said that booze was horrific in the effects it had.

it's all pretty depressing stuff!

in the US a pregnant woman can be imprisoned for drinking too much, in the UK nothing can be done against her will. neither way seems ideal to me.

oh, so they're not addicted to being pregnant? wow. i really misread that. it makes more sense now.

[dolf]

Originally Posted by pointless

oh, so they're not addicted to being pregnant? wow. i really misread that. it makes more sense now.

ha! I've met women who are. they end up with big, BIG families.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Originally Posted by dolf

hell just froze over, because i agree with your opinion.

yes, parents deserve second chances. but they don't deserve continual chances at the cost of their kids' stability.

Not when they've been clean 2 years then relapse within 30 days. The couple who sheltered her kids wanted the kids for adoption, so I set it in motion.

Some people need a little guidance to march in the right direction, others cant be dragged to the starting line.