Ignorance/Factual errors (Pet peeves)

I don't know about anyone else, but I get really irked when an author uses the wrong term for something or describes something inaccurately. It can totally take me out of the story. Things that are fantasy or about suspension of disbelief are no problem - it's just the author getting things wrong.

I'm thinking of things beyond using the wrong word (like lose vs loose, to vs too vs two, or awe vs aww vs ah vs oh) or making punctuation errors (like "You liked it?" vs "You liked it.") - though those are annoying, too.


For example, authors describing the hymen as a layer of flesh inside the vagina. I'm totally into fantasy/kinky elements like adult female virgins having sex-preventative hymens, hymens being torn and bleeding a little, etc. Reading that a guy's cock is three or more inches into a girl before it bumps into a barrier, though, makes me stop, laugh, and facepalm in annoyance/disappointment. Especially when it's a woman writing the story.

[Things everyone should know: {1} every woman's hymenal tissue is different (some being born with nearly none), {2} the hymen is a generally stretchy area between the labia, and {3} the hymen wears away via activity and hormones as a woman ages (such that it's uncommon for a hymen to be sex-restrictive by the time someone is an adult).]

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Another example is when authors have characters who are "tight" deduced to be virgins, or former virgins being "looser" after they've had sex once or twice. Again, every woman is different physiologically, but their bodies are like a mix of balloon and elastic. When aroused, her body makes room for a cock (expanding in depth and width). When unaroused, it returns to a tighter state. It isn't like an earlobe that can be stretched out over time by sticking bigger things in it.


There's also the mistake of describing the clit as a bit of flesh inside the vagina or on the pubic mound - or the g-spot as a clit-like area deep inside the vagina (rather than a sensitive area at around the inverse side of the public mound).



Does anyone else get irked by these things as I do? Are there other pet peeves you have about errors/misunderstandings?

I beta read a story for someone here and they asked me to point out any details that were off.

It was a first time story and the girl was a virgin. In the beginning he goes into great detail about the girl using a 8" dildo on herself that he described as very thick.

end of the story she is having sex for the first time. he says she squealed as her hymen broke.

I said um.....if she has been ramming an 8" rubber cock up there then that thing is long gone. I said she can be a virgin to real sex, but the "cherry" has popped long ago.

he got pissed off.

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I like you. Lolz. And yes I do get what you mean.

lovecraft68 said:

I beta read a story for someone here and they asked me to point out any details that were off.

It was a first time story and the girl was a virgin. In the beginning he goes into great detail about the girl using a 8" dildo on herself that he described as very thick.

end of the story she is having sex for the first time. he says she squealed as her hymen broke.

I said um.....if she has been ramming an 8" rubber cock up there then that thing is long gone. I said she can be a virgin to real sex, but the "cherry" has popped long ago.

he got pissed off.

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That's just to damn funny. I know a girl that was like that she said her cherry was never popped but yet she could stick some off the wall shit inside of her. She fucked herself with a banana and the shit was bloody when it came out. She may have been a virgin to a real dick but she popped her own cherry

What gets me is mad is the fact that you have some writers that arebso judgemental. They can write about man abusing a woman, or family members having sex together, but when it comes to the LGBT people they have a fit about it and think it is the gross.. two woman making love or having sex or two men making love or having sex is no different then family members having sex together. Why judge people. You have no business judging someone else's sex life. If you don't like it don't write about it. And don't bash people that do.

I just finished editing a story in which the protagonist (male) went "ugh" every time he got excited. I carefully explained that "ugh" was an expression of disgust. Also I find it very common (on this site) for young virgins to cum as soon as the first cock enters them. Now I realize that this is fantasy and that the main sex organ is the brain, but, guys, seriously, one has to do a bit more than grab and poke.

It is not surprising, i believe I read that something like 75% of American men do not know that the vagina and urethra are different "holes". Most men believe women pee from their vaginas.

I also read recently that the national average for sex, start to fnish, is still hovering somewhere around six minutes.

After thirty yeaes, I can almost have my wife to her first orgasm by then, but that is only the begining.

Ignorance abounds.

I recently discovered on this site, that very few men know that their prostate is the source of their ejaculation and orgasm. A woman had men describe their orgasms, and out of about fifteen men who answered, I was the only one to mention his prostate gland.

Many men believe that their testes contract at orgasm ,spewing out their cum.

So yes, sometimes I want to scream,"Get your facts straight before you write them!"
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The one that gets me is general misunderstanding of what happens when a woman gets wet. If fluid is getting past her panties by itself, she's not turned on, she needs to talk to a urologist.

stlgoddessfreya said:

The one that gets me is general misunderstanding of what happens when a woman gets wet. If fluid is getting past her panties by itself, she's not turned on, she needs to talk to a urologist.

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You mean when a woman is so wet she can feel it "dripping down her leg" she is incontinent, not horny?

That's one I see a lot. For whatever reason it doesn't really irk me, but its a case of if I stop for a minute its "yeah...."

DefiniteArticles said:

I don't know about anyone else, but I get really irked when an author uses the wrong term for something or describes something inaccurately. It can totally take me out of the story. Things that are fantasy or about suspension of disbelief are no problem - it's just the author getting things wrong.

I'm thinking of things beyond using the wrong word (like lose vs loose, to vs too vs two, or awe vs aww vs ah vs oh) or making punctuation errors (like "You liked it?" vs "You liked it.") - though those are annoying, too.


For example, authors describing the hymen as a layer of flesh inside the vagina. I'm totally into fantasy/kinky elements like adult female virgins having sex-preventative hymens, hymens being torn and bleeding a little, etc. Reading that a guy's cock is three or more inches into a girl before it bumps into a barrier, though, makes me stop, laugh, and facepalm in annoyance/disappointment. Especially when it's a woman writing the story.

[Things everyone should know: {1} every woman's hymenal tissue is different (some being born with nearly none), {2} the hymen is a generally stretchy area between the labia, and {3} the hymen wears away via activity and hormones as a woman ages (such that it's uncommon for a hymen to be sex-restrictive by the time someone is an adult).]

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Another example is when authors have characters who are "tight" deduced to be virgins, or former virgins being "looser" after they've had sex once or twice. Again, every woman is different physiologically, but their bodies are like a mix of balloon and elastic. When aroused, her body makes room for a cock (expanding in depth and width). When unaroused, it returns to a tighter state. It isn't like an earlobe that can be stretched out over time by sticking bigger things in it.


There's also the mistake of describing the clit as a bit of flesh inside the vagina or on the pubic mound - or the g-spot as a clit-like area deep inside the vagina (rather than a sensitive area at around the inverse side of the public mound).



Does anyone else get irked by these things as I do? Are there other pet peeves you have about errors/misunderstandings?

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But, dear, the g-spot is an extension of the clit nerves. And tight vaginas do exist in the world, arousal or no arousal.

What I hate are dum readers.

Boy you said it! I was asked to edit a manuscript. Wow. I advised the writer to get a Strunk and White, a thesaurus, a sex manual, and a woman's advice. His female protagonist had just cum after about 30 seconds of cunnilingus, but man was she tight! She was so tight that taking all of what the male protagonist had was painful for her. She cummed in about 30 seconds, as I said, but her former boy friend was a loser in bed. Our protagonist also used the flat of his tongue to lick all up and down the length of her clit, biting it at the same time.

DefiniteArticles said:

{3} the hymen wears away via activity and hormones as a woman ages (such that it's uncommon for a hymen to be sex-restrictive by the time someone is an adult).]

Does anyone else get irked by these things as I do? Are there other pet peeves you have about errors/misunderstandings?

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But that's the problem. Although 3 may be true, if most readers don't think/know its true, they will wonder why your 26 year old virgin doesn't have a hymen in the way. as another pointed out, sex facts are relatively poorly known...although considering how poorly know non-sex facts are...anyway.

So do you want to aim for more intelligent readers? If so, and assuming your readers map to people I've met, you will be alienating a significant portion of them.

So no, I don't get irked by such things. I get irked by her being on her knees in front of him giving him a BJ in the back seat of a pinto. That aint gonna work.

robertreams said:

I recently discovered on this site, that very few men know that their prostate is the source of their ejaculation and orgasm. A woman had men describe their orgasms, and out of about fifteen men who answered, I was the only one to mention his prostate gland.\

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I've been studying the process and proper names of all the male and female parts in preparation for my own writing and I would have to quibble with your statement. The prostate is not the sole source. Fluids from both the testes and seminal vesicles contribute 70% of the fluids that make up ejaculate. While they do go through and combine at the convergence of the prostate, they prostate is not the main source of ejaculate or even the final mechanism for ejaculation, so I can see why most men would just skip it. The testes are where the sperm come from and that's what most people think of as ejaculate even though it's only actually 10% of ejaculate.

Sorry, but obviously inaccuracies/bad facts obviously bug me too...

I would recommend that all erotic/porn writers read Nina Hartley's Guide to Total Sex, she describes all the parts and their connections as well as giving accurate information on how the parts work. She doesn't go into ejaculate but her book inspired me to look it up. Of course it's complex so I had to go find the link to reply here as I could not remember the name of the 3rd part. She also does a good job of describing the whats and how to for most of the major acts and situations. It's a really good platform for diving into a story.

I'd also recommend that ALL writers read Strunk & White's Elements of Style and I personally found Stephen King's On Writing an excellent guide as well as a damn good read.

The purpose of my post was not to describe a male orgasm in its entirety, but to emphsize the importance of the prostate in male orgasm. You "quibble" (a slight objection) to the detriment of my point. I properly stated that the testes do not contract at the tme of orgasm. The testes have no means of contracting, they supply the sperm, as you said, a tiny amount, by depositing it in the prostate through the seminal vesicles. My own seminal vesicles have been tied so they obviously do not "ejaculate", yet my orgasm is unaffected. Many other fluids are released (into the prostate) being ejected by the prostate with the help of the PC muscle. Other substances are released, by many glands in the male body, into the bloodstream where they travel to the brain and where (obviously) the orgasm actually occurs. Nonetheless, you yourself said "quibble" (a slight objection). My facts stand as stated. Physical orgasm occurs when the prostate and PC muscle contract to release a variety of fluids, (previously) deposited (not ejaculated) into the prostate. Anyone who has ever had his prostate stimulated to the point of orgasm can verify the intensity of such manupulaation and to descrivbe male orgasm and IGNORE the prosate, is, as I stated IGNORANT. (lacking in knowledge)

Ok I concede.. I don't have the equipment and can only speak to what I've seen in books, online and with my hubby.

Trixareforkids said:

Ok I concede.. I don't have the equipment and can only speak to what I've seen in books, online and with my hubby.

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Did you just concede an argument?

On Lit?!

You're officially my new hero!

AMoveableBeast said:

Did you just concede an argument?

On Lit?!

You're officially my new hero!

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LOL, would you look at that! And I'm not even wearing my latex.

I like to argue but only as long as long as I think I'm right. Beyond that is just silly and I save silly for my little one and drinking nights.

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Enlighten me, please.


Is it possible for a man to penetrate a woman vaginally, and kiss her breasts at the same time? I really want it to be possible!!!

Particularly if it's a tall man like Rocco Siffredi, with a petite woman around five feet four inches tall? I'm using a fictionalised version of Rocco Siffredi as the male protagonist in two of my stories.

I mean I would assume that if it's a tall man, with his penis inside the woman's vagina, with their hips at the same level, presumably it's going to be difficult for him to get his face at the level of her breasts?

Yes, I'm in my thirties and I'm still a virgin (that's why I want to write erotica).








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Go for it. The problem of where this thread is sliding is that erotica isn't about the clinical.

erotica_n_s said:

.Enlighten me, please.


Is it possible for a man to penetrate a woman vaginally, and kiss her breasts at the same time? I really want it to be possible!!!

Particularly if it's a tall man like Rocco Siffredi, with a petite woman around five feet four inches tall? I'm using a fictionalised version of Rocco Siffredi as the male protagonist in two of my stories.

I mean I would assume that if it's a tall man, with his penis inside the woman's vagina, with their hips at the same level, presumably it's going to be difficult for him to get his face at the level of her breasts?

Yes, I'm in my thirties and I'm still a virgin (that's why I want to write erotica).
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Watch more porn. It would depend on the height difference and the position. Check out more "chick" porn as you're more likely to find what you're looking for there. Here's a link page to get you started. http://www.pornmoviesforwomen.com/sitesforwomen.htm

Please just remember if you're trying to do realistic erotica make sure what you're describing is possible AND that it's done in a way that portrays what it is you're trying to portray. For instance, all anal REQUIRES lube. Was reading a story earlier and when the guy just went after her ass with no lube of any kind it brought me to a full stop. I skimmed the rest and saw the usual BS of her enjoying it and cumming. NOT! Guy or girl, where anal is concerned, unless you're portraying the receiver in pain, a lot of pain, lube lube lube. If you're portraying someone who gets off on pain ok, but in all other cases knowing something that's being portrayed as real is actually BS tends to be a buzz kill. If people can portray condoms in humorous and sexy ways the same can be done with lube. Remember a horny girl has natural lube available RIGHT THERE. Which brings me to my next thing. Front to back, never the opposite unless it's part of humiliation, dominance. Back to front is an express ticket to a yeast infection.

sr71plt said:

Go for it. The problem of where this thread is sliding is that erotica isn't about the clinical.

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I get that...

But when someone reads my stories, I want them to get an erection (or if it's a female reader, then I'd want her to get the female equivalent of an erection).

I don't want them to be laughing hysterically...

And I know I cannot possibly please everyone. But I want my work to be at least remotely believable... Let me see...

Kissing Breasts

Not only is that possible, it's probably easier in a position other than the one you're thinking of, considering the height difference. I assume you're asking about whether it's possible during sex in either the missionary position or with the man seated and the woman straddling his lap. It's possible in both of those positions, even with a foot or more of height difference, but he might not be flexible enough to reach the underside of her breasts and to kiss them comfortably he'd probably have to lift them closer to his mouth. Even A cups move around. It would be much easier for him to kiss them during intercourse from the position where he is kneeling and she is on her side.

The female equivalent of an erection...

...is an erection.

Trixareforkids said:

Watch more porn. Please just remember if you're trying to do realistic erotica make sure what you're describing is possible AND that it's done in a way that portrays what it is you're trying to portray. For instance, all anal REQUIRES lube. Was reading a story earlier and when the guy just went after her ass with no lube of any kind it brought me to a full stop. I skimmed the rest and saw the usual BS of her enjoying it and cumming. NOT! Guy or girl, where anal is concerned, unless you're portraying the receiver in pain, a lot of pain, lube lube lube. If you're portraying someone who gets off on pain ok, but in all other cases knowing something that's being portrayed as real is actually BS tends to be a buzz kill. If people can portray condoms in humorous and sexy ways the same can be done with lube. Remember a horny girl has natural lube available RIGHT THERE. Which brings me to my next thing. Front to back, never the opposite unless it's part of humiliation, dominance. Back to front is an express ticket to a yeast infection.

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Well, yes, but you don't have to include all of that in an erotica story. You don't have her taking an enema beforehand, do you? You don't have her skipping into the bathroom to brush her teeth after giving a blow job, do you? Erotica is about the imagery, not the clinical processes. You don't have to describe every little movement that would happen in RL. That's deadly in erotica (and, yes, some of the stories here are deadly in that regard and some of the readers aren't mature enough to be able to suspend disbelief and squeamishness enough to be reading erotica.)

And forcing positions on your own personal preference is a crock too. Not everyone responds as you do--to just about anything--or needs the clinical stuff that you might.

This is erotica folks. It's meant to evoke arousal in you. If you need all of the clinical details, fine, but go looking for the stories that turn you on--keep your mitts off those that turn others on without the need for the literal (or their understanding of it--we've already seen some disagreement on this thread over what is literally true.)

sr71plt said:

Go for it. The problem of where this thread is sliding is that erotica isn't about the clinical.

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No it's not ABOUT the clinical, but if the details are complete BS the story isn't going to be erotic, it's going to be nonsense. Like I said in my earlier comment. No lube and anal are a full stop for me, good story just lost it because of that DETAIL. On the other hand, if the story had been about dominance and pain, it would have been appropriate. Or if were about two people trying it for the 1st time (which would probably be their last, well the receiver's anyway) that's also different. But someone who's been there done that would know so leaving it out throws the story off.

I've been hopping all around reading lots of stories on here, seeing what works and what doesn't. Most of what doesn't work isn't about grammar or punctuation, though those things can be annoying, it's about the missing or flat out bad/wrong details.

We want to believe in our disbelief, it's the writer's job to make that possible. To make the details consistent enough to keep us moving forward. To make the dialog believable enough that (unless it's comedic erotica) we're not laughing or rolling our eyes instead of wanking. To make the scene vivid enough that we can put ourselves there even if we can't identify with any of the characters.

I've said elsewhere there's a difference between porn stories and erotica but the same things make both bad or good. Sure if you're just looking for a quick wank you can overlook some foibles on the writer's part, but I'm not here to give people quick wank material, unless I'm doing that as a challenge. I'm here to improve my writing so that at some point it's worthy of actual publishing. I want to write GOOD material. I think most writers here on the forum would agree. Those that are just out for throwing down a fast and dirty story have no reason, other than story ideas, to come to the forum.

When someone is looking for advice on how to improve their writing and you go off saying it's getting to clinical it makes me think you should back out of the thread. If you see a STORY that feels too clinical, give that feed back so the writer can edit it or make the next one better. But knowing how things work and asking for advice or sharing information about that is what I and others are here for.

Many of my stories just assume some of the preparations without ruling them out--because to include more than the necessary for the story is just bogging the story down to try to pull along people not capable of imagination. So, I guess you'd best not read my stories. (And before "someone" rings in to point out that most of my stories under this account are GM, I'll note that more than 100 of them aren't--which is still a damn sight more than what most other authors here have on their list.)