a human embryo

Originally Posted by 1sickbastard

No one is withheld life-saving treatment. The difference is being able to afford regular check-ups, preventative care, or optional, non-necessary medical attention (like laser-optic surgery).

In America, once a person loses the ability to pay out-of-pocket, he/she goes on Medicare & SSDI.

Originally Posted by John Doe

Irrelevant to my point.




That's a chickenshit argument. You can't make a claim then expect others to refute it for you, especially on the GB. If you want people to accept it you have to support it yourself.

Anyway, how do you define health care access?

Originally Posted by John Doe

It's illegal for US hospitals who participate in Medicare (which is most of them) to deny emergency care to anyone on the basis of ability (or lack thereof) to pay.

so how do you guys explain the mortality rates for poorer people being higher than for richer people?

and seriously, giving someone a bit of triage in ER is not the same as a course of treatment for cancer or for needing serious and long term drug treatments.

[blunt_trauma]

the healthcare debate?
again?
you fuckers suck donkey balls.

[1sickbastard]

Originally Posted by Kybele

so how do you guys explain the mortality rates for poorer people being higher than for richer people?

and seriously, giving someone a bit of triage in ER is not the same as a course of treatment for cancer or for needing serious and long term drug treatments.

Poorer people have less ready access to high quality nutritious foodstuff, generally live in areas more prone to violent crime, are more likely to engage in higher risk activities (drugs, smoking, heavy drinking), are more likely to have broken homes, etc, etc, etc. There are a whole host of conditions that result in higher mortality for the poor. Universal insurance coverage won't aleviate those conditions, not will it necessarily guarantee that individuals will access available resources better.

And yes, poor people can and do get full treatments for cancer and long term drug treatments, IF (and this is the BIG IF) they are willing to slog through the mountains of paperwork and do the call backs necessary to get them. In other otherwords, concentrated effort is working substitute for cash.

But seriously, what has any of this to do with the topic of this thread, which is a poll about abortion?

Stay on topic.

[blunt_trauma]

if those were the only reason then the usa would have the same stats on the rich/poor health divide as the uk. our poor smoke, drink, fight and divorce more often too. are the stats similar?

[1sickbastard]

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

if those were the only reason then the usa would have the same stats on the rich/poor health divide as the uk. our poor smoke, drink, fight and divorce more often too. are the stats similar?

I don;t know, but I feel certain you'll tell me if you have them.

I hope you're feeling somewate better, BT. Did you have a nice warm bath?

[blunt_trauma]

Originally Posted by 1sickbastard

I don;t know, but I feel certain you'll tell me if you have them.

I hope you're feeling somewate better, BT. Did you have a nice warm bath?

i've no idea. i was just pointing out the most obvious way to prove or disprove your theory.

i think i actually feel worse. i had a hot math.
it was almost as comforting as the snowball i just drank for breakfast.

[1sickbastard]

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

i've no idea. i was just pointing out the most obvious way to prove or disprove your theory.

i think i actually feel worse. i had a hot math.
it was almost as comforting as the snowball i just drank for breakfast.

County to country comparisons have there own issues. Population size/density, geography, culture, the particular demographics all come itno play, leaving with generalities at best.


I'm sorry your feeling poorly.

Feel better.

I'm out for the night.

[girlsmiley]

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

i've no idea. i was just pointing out the most obvious way to prove or disprove your theory.

i think i actually feel worse. i had a hot math.
it was almost as comforting as the snowball i just drank for breakfast.

You're drinking alcohol for breakfast? Are you trying to knock yourself out?

[blunt_trauma]

Originally Posted by girlsmiley

You're drinking alcohol for breakfast? Are you trying to knock yourself out?

less than one unit, for medicinal purposes.
i'm usually tea total.

[girlsmiley]

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

less than one unit, for medicinal purposes.

*Cue strip music*

[blunt_trauma]

Originally Posted by girlsmiley

*Cue strip music*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO_co1SoBt4
ahahahahahaha!
i was soooo drunk when i made that

[girlsmiley]

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO_co1SoBt4
ahahahahahaha!
i was soooo drunk when i made that

I fucking love it.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Kybele

so how do you guys explain the mortality rates for poorer people being higher than for richer people?

Okay, I'll give you a freebie here and assume (at least for the moment) that this is true.

Based on personal experience I'd say stress plays a larger role than most people realize. It's not the only factor but it does contribute.

and seriously, giving someone a bit of triage in ER is not the same as a course of treatment for cancer or for needing serious and long term drug treatments.

No one is saying that it is... or was that supposed to answer my question?

[blunt_trauma]

http://womensenews.org/story/110516/...-moms-analyzed

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

http://womensenews.org/story/110516/...-moms-analyzed

You can say that again!

Originally Posted by 1sickbastard

Poorer people have less ready access to high quality nutritious foodstuff, generally live in areas more prone to violent crime, are more likely to engage in higher risk activities (drugs, smoking, heavy drinking), are more likely to have broken homes, etc, etc, etc. There are a whole host of conditions that result in higher mortality for the poor. Universal insurance coverage won't aleviate those conditions, not will it necessarily guarantee that individuals will access available resources better.

And yes, poor people can and do get full treatments for cancer and long term drug treatments, IF (and this is the BIG IF) they are willing to slog through the mountains of paperwork and do the call backs necessary to get them. In other otherwords, concentrated effort is working substitute for cash.

But seriously, what has any of this to do with the topic of this thread, which is a poll about abortion?

Stay on topic.

I was going to give a point by point refutation of this but I sugest you just read these to start with. I think I found about another 5 or six peer reviewed articles as well:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...th-disparities
http://www.ahrq.gov/qual/nhdr03/nhdrsum03
http://pmj.bmj.com/content/81/961/674.abstract

Originally Posted by John Doe

Okay, I'll give you a freebie here and assume (at least for the moment) that this is true.

Based on personal experience I'd say stress plays a larger role than most people realize. It's not the only factor but it does contribute.


No one is saying that it is... or was that supposed to answer my question?

Stress does play a part as do environmental conditions, but study after study shows that socioeconomic status impacts on primary access and treatment given. Diabeties is a really good example of this.

Not sure which question you mean. The one about defining access?

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

http://womensenews.org/story/110516/...-moms-analyzed

old news. We covered that one last year when the primary reports started coming out.

[blunt_trauma]

bumpety bumpety bump.

[hobbit.]

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

^^ i look at that and i see limbs, a head, eyes.
but i don't see a person.
it's brain is incomplete. it's thoughts and emotions are no more complex than those of a fish.
i can't pinpoint the moment where that little creature becomes a person though. somewhere between conception and birth f'sure.
looking at that stage, i find it hard to understand the passion of the antiabortionists.

A car can be broken down into reusable parts, so why not a human? baby or otherwise?

[blunt_trauma]

Originally Posted by hobbit.

A car can be broken down into reusable parts, so why not a human? baby or otherwise?

we use the brain dead for spare parts...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

we use the brain dead for spare parts...

Garbage Can's a kidney donor?

[dolf]

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

this week is the week to be bumping this thread.

so is this week!

[LiFeNdEaTh]

crazyy