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01-16-2013, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cjh
that does not prohibit physicians from making those inquiries.
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I'll take you r word for it but it does say this:
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10 of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the
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I guess you'd have to maintain that a physician asking questions isn't collecting information. What would be the point of asking if the answer cannot be recorded or collected? |
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01-16-2013, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mercury14
Way too much forced laughing. 
People that want assault rifle bans want to make it less likely that someone will use one to annihilate a classroom in four seconds. It's a preventative measure. Not that there's much of that going on but sooner or later it will probably happen. |
Yes we all know how hard it is to reload when shooting defenseless kids and women  ...and of course your rights should be contingent on what mentally ill people do...
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In the early morning hour
just before dawn, lover and beloved awake
and take a drink of water
She asks, Do you love me or yourself more?
Really, tell the absolute truth
He says "There's nothing left of me, I am like the ruby held up to the sunrise.
Is it still a stone or a world made of redness?
It has no resistance to sunlight"
This is how Hallaj said I am God
and told the truth.
the ruby and sunrise are one...
Rumi
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H. Lawrence
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
”The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”- Thomas Jefferson
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01-16-2013, 05:42 PM
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The West Coast Pop
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Yes we all know how hard it is to reload when shooting defenseless kids and women ...and of course your rights should be contingent on what mentally ill people do... |
That's just how reality works. We give up some of our rights so the mentally ill have few options when they decide to go crazy.
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01-16-2013, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by vetteman
I'll take you r word for it but it does say this:
None
10 of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the
11 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an
12 amendment made by that Act shall be construed to
13 authorize or may be used for the collection of any in-
14 formation relating to—
I guess you'd have to maintain that a physician asking questions isn't collecting information. What would be the point of asking if the answer cannot be recorded or collected?
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D: Ms. Toddler'sMother, you may not have considered the many risks a house can pose to a child who can walk but has the common sense of a ferret. For example, electrical sockets are fascinating to young children. Do you have plugs in them?
M: Yes.
D: Okay. Another significant hazard. . . .
Doctors can provide information without memorializing it if that's necessary to balance 1st Am and 2d Am interests. |
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01-16-2013, 05:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Renaud
That's just how reality works. We give up some of our rights so the mentally ill have few options when they decide to go crazy.
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Not in my reality...
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In the early morning hour
just before dawn, lover and beloved awake
and take a drink of water
She asks, Do you love me or yourself more?
Really, tell the absolute truth
He says "There's nothing left of me, I am like the ruby held up to the sunrise.
Is it still a stone or a world made of redness?
It has no resistance to sunlight"
This is how Hallaj said I am God
and told the truth.
the ruby and sunrise are one...
Rumi
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H. Lawrence
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
”The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”- Thomas Jefferson
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01-16-2013, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sufisaint
Not in my reality...
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Yeah, well, we've all had little windows into your reality in the past. It doesn't bear much of a resemblance to the one the rest of us live in.
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01-16-2013, 05:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vetteman
I guess you'd have to maintain that a physician asking questions isn't collecting information. What would be the point of asking if the answer cannot be recorded or collected?
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It's called a risk assessment. When a patient is possibly suicidal or homicidal a physician must ask whether the patient has the means to cause harm. That means inquiring about the patient's access to guns, knives, harmful substances, etc. The data not only can be recorded, it must be.
(Vette apparently has me on iggy so I will need a bump. Vette take me off iggy bro, you have a pm waiting)
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01-16-2013, 05:56 PM
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They Call Me Dr. Love
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Originally Posted by mercury14
It's called a risk assessment. When a patient is possibly suicidal or homicidal a physician must ask whether the patient has the means to cause harm. That means inquiring about the patient's access to guns, knives, harmful substances, etc. The data not only can be recorded, it must be.
(Vette apparently has me on iggy so I will need a bump. Vette take me off iggy bro, you have a pm waiting)
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01-16-2013, 05:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanH
Yeah, well, we've all had little windows into your reality in the past. It doesn't bear much of a resemblance to the one the rest of us live in.
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Higher consciousnesses can be lonely sometimes.
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In the early morning hour
just before dawn, lover and beloved awake
and take a drink of water
She asks, Do you love me or yourself more?
Really, tell the absolute truth
He says "There's nothing left of me, I am like the ruby held up to the sunrise.
Is it still a stone or a world made of redness?
It has no resistance to sunlight"
This is how Hallaj said I am God
and told the truth.
the ruby and sunrise are one...
Rumi
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H. Lawrence
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
”The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”- Thomas Jefferson
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01-16-2013, 05:58 PM
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Pragmatic Metaphysician
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Originally Posted by RobDownSouth
Agreed.
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The law Vette posted refers to creating a database for gun ownership, not patient records. |
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01-16-2013, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sufisaint
Higher consciousnesses can be lonely sometimes.
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You wouldn't know higher consciousness if it kicked you up the arse wearing psychotropic drugs.
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01-16-2013, 06:03 PM
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double post
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In the early morning hour
just before dawn, lover and beloved awake
and take a drink of water
She asks, Do you love me or yourself more?
Really, tell the absolute truth
He says "There's nothing left of me, I am like the ruby held up to the sunrise.
Is it still a stone or a world made of redness?
It has no resistance to sunlight"
This is how Hallaj said I am God
and told the truth.
the ruby and sunrise are one...
Rumi
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H. Lawrence
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
”The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”- Thomas Jefferson
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01-16-2013, 06:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanH
You wouldn't know higher consciousness if it kicked you up the arse wearing psychotropic drugs.
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I will keep on meditating and training daily...you keep on drowning yourself in alcohol and drugs...
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In the early morning hour
just before dawn, lover and beloved awake
and take a drink of water
She asks, Do you love me or yourself more?
Really, tell the absolute truth
He says "There's nothing left of me, I am like the ruby held up to the sunrise.
Is it still a stone or a world made of redness?
It has no resistance to sunlight"
This is how Hallaj said I am God
and told the truth.
the ruby and sunrise are one...
Rumi
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H. Lawrence
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
”The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”- Thomas Jefferson
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01-16-2013, 06:04 PM
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In a nutshell, under Obamacare you can’t be required to provide information to doctors or health plans about legally owned guns, nor can your insurance rates be affected by such ownership. The government, in the execution of Obamacare, cannot collect information about or use information from other government databases about legally owned guns.
http://wizbangblog.com/2013/01/10/ob...-registration/
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01-16-2013, 06:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vetteman
I'll take you r word for it but it does say this:
None
10 of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the
11 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an
12 amendment made by that Act shall be construed to
13 authorize or may be used for the collection of any in-
14 formation relating to—
I guess you'd have to maintain that a physician asking questions isn't collecting information. What would be the point of asking if the answer cannot be recorded or collected?
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You do know the military already does this right it's nothing new.
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Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason.
If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining.
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01-16-2013, 06:06 PM
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Yep, W told us.
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01-16-2013, 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Renaud
That's just how reality works. We give up some of our rights so the mentally ill have few options when they decide to go crazy.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sufisaint
Not in my reality...
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Amazingly apt post-sequence!
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-- Justice Louis D. Brandeis
"I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. . . . Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right."
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01-16-2013, 06:29 PM
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Forged In Fire
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You do know the military already does this right it's nothing new.
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The military isn't the civil society. |
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01-16-2013, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by vetteman
The military isn't the civil society.
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Very true but they use the military as guinea pigs a lot of times to see what works and doesn't.
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Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason.
If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining.
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01-16-2013, 06:43 PM
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Forged In Fire
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Originally Posted by bra_man69
Very true but they use the military as guinea pigs a lot of times to see what works and doesn't.
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Existing federal law in the form of Obama Care already forbids it in the civilian world. The military has never been a democracy.  |
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01-16-2013, 06:57 PM
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Existing federal law in the form of Obama Care already forbids it in the civilian world. The military has never been a democracy. |
I can't stop laughing about this
So one of the executive orders that Obama signed today was for congress to confirm a aft director
Maybe someone needs to tell him that he doesn't need executive order for that.
Wait maybe someone could sneak in a executive order for a budget 
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Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason.
If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining.
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01-16-2013, 07:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vetteman
Existing federal law in the form of Obama Care already forbids it in the civilian world
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No it doesn't. You're reading it wrong or you're buying into another internet hoax.
EDIT: A quick Yahoo! search shows thathe RW idiosphere is buzzing with the material Vette is talking about.
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01-16-2013, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mercury14
No it doesn't. You're reading it wrong or you're buying into another internet hoax.
EDIT: A quick Yahoo! search shows thathe RW idiosphere is buzzing with the material Vette is talking about.
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*views post* Being on iggy got to you fast, MORON.
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01-16-2013, 07:10 PM
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Pragmatic Metaphysician
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Originally Posted by bra_man69
I can't stop laughing about this
So one of the executive orders that Obama signed today was for congress to confirm a aft director
Maybe someone needs to tell him that he doesn't need executive order for that.
Wait maybe someone could sneak in a executive order for a budget |
It's not really that funny. Congress is so dysfunctional that it can't confirm an ATF director. Obama made the exective order to highlight an issue that probably 1% of Americans were aware of. .Again, not funny, |
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01-16-2013, 07:15 PM
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Forged In Fire
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For those intellectual midgets who can't read:
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/p...protection.pdf
(e) Section 2717 of the Public Health Service Act, as
18 added by section 1001(5) of this Act, is amended—
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