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A new California law makes it easier for single woman and those in same-sex relationships to conceive via artificial insemination, reported the AP.

The new law loosens regulations around sperm donation, which currently require women seeking artificial insemination who do not have a “sexually intimate [male] partner” to use sperm that has been frozen for six months or from a man that can be tested within seven days of each attempt to artificially inseminate the woman, according to the Daily Mail.
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The original law confuses me. Why should women without a male partner be required to use six-month old frozen sperm? What was the original logic there? I mean, as compared to a woman with a male partner who, I presume, could get it hot out of the surrogate testicles?
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The original law confuses me. Why should women without a male partner be required to use six-month old frozen sperm? What was the original logic there? I mean, as compared to a woman with a male partner who, I presume, could get it hot out of the surrogate testicles?
Sounds like bureaucratic shit. Just a law to make sure that 'second rate' couples get second rate goods.
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I think it might be worth reading the original Daily Mail piece.
It has to be said that the writing in the Daily Mail can get little 'slanted' at times, so it's not quite all it seems.

I was struck by one of the (unmoderated) comments:-

Illegal at home insemination? Could that include those women who pierce condoms, go off the pill without informing their partner ... even taking sperm from a used condom? No, of course not. Women get to make life changing choices and men get stuck with the bill.
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Why should women without a male partner be required to use six-month old frozen sperm? What was the original logic there?
My guess is that they are supposing that, given a cooling off period to think about it, some single women won't go through with it. I'm not saying that's rational; just saying that might be their rationale.
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My guess is that they are supposing that, given a cooling off period to think about it, some single women won't go through with it. I'm not saying that's rational; just saying that might be their rationale.
That's what first came to mind, but if you re-read it, it says that the sperm has to have been frozen for six months--not that the woman has to wait six months for the sperm. She just has to take the ones that have been on ice for six months.

Kinda like going to a store and being told, "You're single? You can only buy the frozen peas that have been in the freezer section for six months."

Still confused.
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I was struck by one of the (unmoderated) comments:-

Illegal at home insemination? Could that include those women who pierce condoms, go off the pill without informing their partner ... even taking sperm from a used condom? No, of course not. Women get to make life changing choices and men get stuck with the bill.
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That's what first came to mind, but if you re-read it, it says that the sperm has to have been frozen for six months--not that the woman has to wait six months for the sperm. She just has to take the ones that have been on ice for six months.
Ah, so. Then it's beyond me too. But dollars to donuts I'll bet it involves trying to keep single mothers from getting it done.
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Frozen six month old sperm? Ick! Is it cryogenically frozen or just stuck in a freezer with the pot roast and tater tots? How do they warm it up? In an autoclave? A microwave? What about ice crystals messing up the sperm? How closely do they screen the sperm donors? Whatever happened to a having a sympathetic and cooperative male friend and a turkey baster?

I know when they AI cows, they often warm the bull semen on a truck's engine manifold. A vial of it overheated once and it blew up in a vets face. Fortunately for him he was wearing eye protection at the time, but they were picking glass out of his face for a while.
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Frozen six month old sperm? Ick! Is it cryogenically frozen or just stuck in a freezer with the pot roast and tater tots? How do they warm it up? In an autoclave? A microwave? What about ice crystals messing up the sperm? How closely do they screen the sperm donors? Whatever happened to a having a sympathetic and cooperative male friend and a turkey baster?

I know when they AI cows, they often warm the bull semen on a truck's engine manifold. A vial of it overheated once and it blew up in a vets face. Fortunately for him he was wearing eye protection at the time, but they were picking glass out of his face for a while.
The method of freezing involves liquid hydrogen (or similar gas), and the sample is in very small amounts so it freezes real quick (ice crystals don't form). They used to take a sample of the sperm and test it for any medical problems; I don't know if they still do.
As the sample is small, I don't think it requires "warming up" so to speak.

And I can sympathise with that Vet.
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Hey, it's a California law. Given our legislature's history over the last twenty years, who knows what (if any) thinking was going on.
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