Laurel is considering a bisexual category!

[Infectedhole]

I think it would be great if we there was a bi section it would help narrow down all the searches

[hottalyssa]

Originally Posted by Infectedhole

I think it would be great if we there was a bi section it would help narrow down all the searches

i agree with infected....

[Mr. Briggs]

Vote is closed and very conclusive WOOHOOO when can we expect new category?

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Mr. Briggs

Vote is closed and very conclusive WOOHOOO when can we expect new category?

This is not a democracy, so the vote doesn't much, except as a demonstration of our opinions. I voted with the majority, and there probably will be such a category next year, but some details would have to be determined.

Two women teaming up to fuck a man would not be included but, if they also get it on together, that would. A genuine threesome with two men or two women, where everybody gets it on together would be, but what after that. Twenty or so people, mostly het. with only incidental gay or lesbian action might not qualify. Five people, with two women together and two men sharing one women probably wouldn't either, since there would be no actual bisexuality.

[susurrus]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101

This is not a democracy, so the vote doesn't much, except as a demonstration of our opinions. I voted with the majority, and there probably will be such a category next year, but some details would have to be determined.

Two women teaming up to fuck a man would not be included but, if they also get it on together, that would. A genuine threesome with two men or two women, where everybody gets it on together would be, but what after that. Twenty or so people, mostly het. with only incidental gay or lesbian action might not qualify. Five people, with two women together and two men sharing one women probably wouldn't either, since there would be no actual bisexuality.

And the scenarios I brought up earlier, where there's no other man present, but the guy does things with his woman that wouldn't necessarily count as straight behavior might not necessarily make it to a new "bi" category, either. Or, even the few masturbation stories I've found where the guy dildos his butt while he plays, or licks up his cum afterward might not make it, either.

They'd still drive the homophobic trolls ape, though...

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by susurrus

And the scenarios I brought up earlier, where there's no other man present, but the guy does things with his woman that wouldn't necessarily count as straight behavior might not necessarily make it to a new "bi" category, either. Or, even the few masturbation stories I've found where the guy dildos his butt while he plays, or licks up his cum afterward might not make it, either.

They'd still drive the homophobic trolls ape, though...

Pegging is consideed to be straight, as long as there are a man and a woman involved. A creampie would depend on the circumstances, but it would not be gay or bi by itself. .

[susurrus]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101

Pegging is consideed to be straight, as long as there are a man and a woman involved. A creampie would depend on the circumstances, but it would not be gay or bi by itself. .

Well, maybe not to you or me, but try putting a story out there with that kind of content and see what kinds of responses you get, particularly from that ever-prolific-and-opinionated fellow: Anonymous

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by susurrus

Well, maybe not to you or me, but try putting a story out there with that kind of content and see what kinds of responses you get, particularly from that ever-prolific-and-opinionated fellow: Anonymous

I have quite a few stories involving pegging, mostly for fun, but there is even one rape of a man by a woman. (He has it coming!) I have never written about a creampie.

[susurrus]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101

I have quite a few stories involving pegging, mostly for fun, but there is even one rape of a man by a woman. (He has it coming!) I have never written about a creampie.

I think the homophobes who rail about how all the bisex stories (male, that is) should be in the gay category generally have the same problem with pegging and cum eating, even if it's only between a man and a woman, or just a guy jacking off...

[hdman5557]

Wish I had experienced bi relationships much earlier in my life. Love my wife who is a great pussy fuck but that is all she will do. Over time, I felt constricted. So I started exploring six years ago and have enjoyed it since.
I enjoy pussy but love to suck a nice hairless cock and fuck a smooth ass. Geez I love being deep throated and rimmed to.
Feel a much more free with my sentiments and more open to express myself and definitely more forgiving.

It's a great life isn't it. Enjoy it.

[Samuelx]

I support this idea.

[PleasePeesMe]

How does this make sense? If you're bisexual, surely you're interested in men and women, whichever sex you are.

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by PleasePeesMe

How does this make sense? If you're bisexual, surely you're interested in men and women, whichever sex you are.

Personally, I like the idea too, but there are details that would have to be worked out.

Here is one problem: The people who would probably object the most would be straight men. Most like to read about lesbian activity or watch it on a videotape, but many of them would be turned off by MM. As for having a cat. that includes FF and another that includes MM, I believe there is not enough of the latter to make up a full category. Personally, I have never written one, but I have one in progress, and it has been there for years.

[BuckyDuckman]

I am so late to this thread (sorry everyone!), but I'd like to toss my two cents worth in...

Personally, I'm of mixed emotions about a bisexual category. Here are my suggestions:

1) The case FOR such a category: I believe a "Bisexual" category should be reserved for stories that explicit MM action with a F somewhere in audience. I used to write for a magazine called "Options - the BI-monthly" and their writer guidelines never made sense to me. The stories of guy on guy action were NOT to include a female. Their reasoning was, if a guy wanted to read about a guy with another woman, there were plenty of outlets for that so it was a waste of time to include it in a story. Because of that, most of the stories made a cursory reference to how at least one of the guys had a wife or a girlfriend and then were descriptions of gay sex. Some of the stories they bought from me were edited to remove the reference to a wife/girlfriend and then purchased to run in one of their gay male slanted magazines. It's my contention that the male bisexual category is under-served and under-represented against its potential audience base.

2) The case AGAINST such a category: I believe male bisexuality is as natural and normal as female bisexuality. (Admittedly, I happen to be a bi-male who's writing this.) I believe any work on Lit should be categorized by its overall theme (group, loving wives, interracial, etc) and not by whether or not the men in the story ever "cross swords." If we are to naturalize and mainstream the incidences of male bisexuality, then its instances must be reflected and accepted in the culture as a whole as being as acceptable as otherwise straight women who will eat pussy.

I think splitting hairs about whether bisexual women belong in the bisexual category or if the pegging of a man is gay enough to be considered bisexual... I believe those kinds of conversations are spurious and unnecessary. I would encourage Lit.com to adopt a policy of equal openness towards male bisexuality as it maintains towards female bisexuality. To do less, in my opinion, is to be divisive and dismissive of one more element of human sexuality.

Lit.com has been very accommodating of my stories that include displays of male bisexuality. Lit.com has been very good (in my opinion) about allowing various stories of mine to be posted in what I believe to be the correct category regardless of whether the men in the story cross swords or not. I applaud Lit for its progressiveness displayed in the past with my stories. I have seen other Discussion Board authors who suggested that their stories that included male bisexuality were automatically regulated to the "Gay Male" category. I believe a story should be judge by its whole and not by whether or not it includes an incident or two of male on male action.

Okay... again, sorry for the late reply, but I've been battling an illness that has kept me to myself. Be well!

[JaxRhapsody]

This has been a long time in the works. All it would take is for the author to add in tags or somewhere what type of story it is. be much easier and simpler

[robertreams]

it seems to me that any bisexual story must involve at least three people, otherwise it is gay or straight. The only other problem I see than is distinguishing between ordinary threesomes and bisexual three somes. In a bisexual threesome the must be interplay between at least two of the three couples. You do see that three people is also three couples?

I have actually been in a threesome with two males and a female. that was not bisexual because there was no interplay between the two men. I have also been in a threesome with two women. That threesome was bisexual because there was interplay between the two women with each other and with me. See the difference?

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by JaxRhapsody

This has been a long time in the works. All it would take is for the author to add in tags or somewhere what type of story it is. be much easier and simpler

Authors always suggest categories. A story will not be accepted without one, and the suggestion might or not be accepted. For instance, if a story is about two sisters and their brother and they all get it on together, that would go in the Incest category, whatever the author suggested.

What I'm unsure about is the story with a larger group, maybe seven or eight, and one of the participants gets it on with a man and a woman. I would think that would go into Group Sex, since it's primarily straight sex.

[susurrus]

Originally Posted by robertreams

it seems to me that any bisexual story must involve at least three people, otherwise it is gay or straight. The only other problem I see than is distinguishing between ordinary threesomes and bisexual three somes. In a bisexual threesome the must be interplay between at least two of the three couples. You do see that three people is also three couples?

I have actually been in a threesome with two males and a female. that was not bisexual because there was no interplay between the two men. I have also been in a threesome with two women. That threesome was bisexual because there was interplay between the two women with each other and with me. See the difference?

The controversy regarding "bisexual" content (and the biggest controversy is bisexual male content - bisexual female content has received very little, if any, protest over the years) isn't how many participants are involved. The controversy is really: what constitutes a bisexual act, and how do you categorize it to reduce the controversy.

Riddle me this, my friend: what category would you put a story that is purely a man and a woman, where the woman uses a dildo on her man? By your description above, you would say straight, because it's just a male and female, with no one else involved. I would tend to agree with you.

However, write that story and post it to the site, and see what kind of feedback you get. A great portion of the respondents would consider the fact that the man got it in the butt should shove it over into the gay cat, regardless who was wielding the cock.

Also, in which category would you put a story that - once again - is only a man and a woman, but the man cleans up his woman with his tongue after he ejaculates inside her? Again, by the criteria you pose above, it would be straight, and again, I would tend to agree with that assessment, too.

Once more, write that story and put it on the site and see what kind of frenzy gets whipped up.

So the problem isn't really with how many people are involved, it's the activities that the men, in particular, take part in.

So, while it would be great to have a bisexual category, the trick would be to get the writers of the one-on-one stories that contain what I consider "non-straight" activity to know to shunt them into that cat. I know Lit has measures in place to put stories in their proper places, but they don't always end up where some respondents think they should be, and those people don't use the options in place to let the powers-that-be know that they think the story should change. They just complain and score the stories really low.

And I've said this before: without a bi category, tags would help, if people understood how they were supposed to work, and used tags that actually defined the action within the story. Unfortunately, it seems some authors don't know that the tags are supposed to help people find their work, and subsequently, their tags read "Monique said" and other very un-helpful things. One other way that tags would help potential readers of a story - if the tags were actually more descriptive than some I've seen - is if they appear at the beginning of the story page, instead of the end. I know they're supposed to help in using the site's search engine for stories, but if they were at the head of the story, then every time a person clicked on a story without using the search, they'd have some idea regarding the content of the story before they started reading it (maybe I should check out if there have been any "how tos" on tags, and write one if there isn't...).

So, I've said this before on this thread: Should there be a bisexual category? I'd love to see one, I just don't know that it would solve all the problems that have arisen over the years with males doing non-straight stuff in stories.

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by susurrus

The controversy regarding "bisexual" content (and the biggest controversy is bisexual male content - bisexual female content has received very little, if any, protest over the years) isn't how many participants are involved. The controversy is really: what constitutes a bisexual act, and how do you categorize it to reduce the controversy.

Riddle me this, my friend: what category would you put a story that is purely a man and a woman, where the woman uses a dildo on her man? By your description above, you would say straight, because it's just a male and female, with no one else involved. I would tend to agree with you.

However, write that story and post it to the site, and see what kind of feedback you get. A great portion of the respondents would consider the fact that the man got it in the butt should shove it over into the gay cat, regardless who was wielding the cock.

Also, in which category would you put a story that - once again - is only a man and a woman, but the man cleans up his woman with his tongue after he ejaculates inside her? Again, by the criteria you pose above, it would be straight, and again, I would tend to agree with that assessment, too.

Once more, write that story and put it on the site and see what kind of frenzy gets whipped up.

So the problem isn't really with how many people are involved, it's the activities that the men, in particular, take part in.

So, while it would be great to have a bisexual category, the trick would be to get the writers of the one-on-one stories that contain what I consider "non-straight" activity to know to shunt them into that cat. I know Lit has measures in place to put stories in their proper places, but they don't always end up where some respondents think they should be, and those people don't use the options in place to let the powers-that-be know that they think the story should change. They just complain and score the stories really low.

So, I've said this before on this thread: Should there be a bisexual category? I'd love to see one, I just don't know that it would solve all the problems that have arisen over the years with males doing non-straight stuff in stories.

I have written quite a few stories such as the pegging one you describe, and they always go into the Toys and Masturbation category. They have generally been well enough received in terms of feedback. The creampie story would go under E/C or, maybe, BDSM as D/s.

[robertreams]

group sex is still usually still only hetero

[pointless]

laurel isn't considering anything. you guys can stop talking about it now.

[sr71plt]

Originally Posted by pointless

laurel isn't considering anything. you guys can stop talking about it now.

Truth (unfortunately).

[lustatopia]

I was for a bisex category at first, because bisexuality is a different state of mind than either het or homosexuality, which excludes one or the other gender from their sexual fantasies altogether.

But when you think about it... what sexuality in general needs is less, not more silos. The gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual cultures all share in common their transgression of traditional sexual identities. This alone should be enough to unite the group, which is still a somewhat marginalised minority. Dividing up a minority makes it weaker and certainly will do little to promote a sense of community.

The real problem is search ability. Instead of quarantining sexuality activities into increasingly isolated silos with lower traffic levels, some kind of tagging technology is what's need. Stella mentioned mfmmFFmmFm, what kind of classification would that fall into? Don't class it, tag it. Little Bird points out that the sexual connoisseurs among us will most likely find a bisexual category little more a refined search then the current GLBT board.

What we need is the ability to search, say, "alien, horror, bisex, submarine."

Sure, Lit is a porno social sharing site and so high ideals about the possible societal good Lit contributes to Internet is not the concern of most here. However, the inclusiveness of the GLBT board would be lessened by siloing bisexuals on another board. I know from my own experience there are a lot of gay and especially lesbian opinions I wouldn't have been exposed to if a bisexual board existed.

People learn about others and -perhaps more importantly - about themselves by being exposed to broad communities rife with a diversity of worldviews. Big, inclusive boards promote understanding and tolerance.

So, I vote Naw, Lit is just fine. We'll all just have to learn to live together.

[Stella_Omega]

this thread was not about the forums at all, but about the story categories.

[sr71plt]

I have an MMF, MM, MF series going now, and it is getting hit hard in the ratings at Lit. It sold fine as an e-book. I couldn't see a better category to put it in here than Group Sex. That obviously doesn't agree with reader expectations. A single Bi category probably wouldn't be too much better. Separate FFM and MMF categories probably would be the easiest for an author and reader to work with.

(But whether this thread is about categories or forums, I think the same "Laurel isn't really considering doing anything about it" observation still holds.