Incest Is Best

[Killjoy24]

Envy maybe - or is it just heartless assholes?

[InBrightestDay]

Originally Posted by Killjoy24

It don't seem to be accepted very well here in the US. My brother and I have to keep it secrect from everyone. That's why I come to this site.

As cheesy as this is going to sound, at least you have each other

[SexyLitForAll]

Originally Posted by Killjoy24

Envy maybe - or is it just heartless assholes?

Some folks just can't tolerate others living the way they would like to live...if they had the stones to do so. So they just bitch about how immoral their subjects are. I see it all the time from hypocrytical "christians", waving their bibles in everyone's faces.

[RjThoughts]

Originally Posted by SexyLitForAll

Some folks just can't tolerate others living the way they would like to live...if they had the stones to do so. So they just bitch about how immoral their subjects are. I see it all the time from hypocrytical "christians", waving their bibles in everyone's faces.

YUP!!! I heard it all the time in VA and FL

[Killjoy24]

Don't they relize we have feelings to and that those feelings get hurt?
I don't have an outlet - this is my outlet. I'm just a girl, a human like everyone else,

[InBrightestDay]

Originally Posted by Killjoy24

Envy maybe - or is it just heartless assholes?

I think there are two reasons. First is the incest taboo itself. It's very deep-seated, pretty much a knee jerk "Eeeew!" reaction. Granted, its origins are understandable: a behavioral safeguard designed to prevent inbreeding and reduce the frequency of genetic disease, but in modern times, with contraceptives to mitigate the genetic risks, it's sort of an artifact, one which may not have much actual function these days.

The second reason, at least on the internet, is that people have a tendency to assume that folks who post about being in an incestuous relationship are in fact trolls, making it up just to get a reaction out of everyone, and people don't like trolls.

As for Christians, we're not all "high and mighty". I'm one, as it happens. For the record, I can't be sure if incest is morally wrong or just genetically dangerous. We're generally taught that it's wrong, but unlike other things considered sins (adultery, murder, stealing, etc.), I can't see any reason why incest is wrong, so long as it's consensual and both participants are over eighteen.

I've asked my own brother, who is studying to be a pastor, whether he can think of any reason consensual incest is morally wrong. He's still looking around at what theologians have said throughout the years, but unless he gives me a sound moral argument on why it's wrong, then I'm treating it the same way I treat homosexuality: I am a human, with a human's limited perspective, so I don't have the knowledge necessary to judge the couple as being right or wrong, and I don't want to crush someone's happiness unless I know that what they're doing is wrong. Their relationship, be it a gay relationship or a consensual incestuous one, is between them and God.

Hopefully that didn't come off as preachy I was trying to be as open and sincere as I could.

[peebudy]

Originally Posted by SexyLitForAll

Some folks just can't tolerate others living the way they would like to live...if they had the stones to do so. So they just bitch about how immoral their subjects are. I see it all the time from hypocrytical "christians", waving their bibles in everyone's faces.

what kills me is people that parachute in with their moral high ground HERE! I mean, anyone who logs into Lit shouldn't be looking to pass judgement on anyone else's kinks or fetishes. If you don't like a topic, don't read it!

when i was in my 20s i fucked my older, married second cousin from Ireland. That's the extent of my experience with incest, but i love reading the incest stories on Lit.

I never fantasize about actual family members. i just love the taboo nature of the topic and the sexual tension and buildup in the stories.

live and let live!

[SexyLitForAll]

Both of you have good points - and they are not preachy. Quite refreshing.

[InBrightestDay]

Originally Posted by SexyLitForAll

Both of you have good points - and they are not preachy. Quite refreshing.

Why thank you!

[InBrightestDay]

Originally Posted by peebudy

what kills me is people that parachute in with their moral high ground HERE! I mean, anyone who logs into Lit shouldn't be looking to pass judgement on anyone else's kinks or fetishes. If you don't like a topic, don't read it!

Especially if they've stepped into a forum called "Fetish & Sexuality Central". With a title that actually includes the word "fetish" anyone coming in here should know they're going to see some weird stuff.

when i was in my 20s i fucked my older, married second cousin from Ireland.

I don't even think that's illegal here (first cousins are, but I'm pretty sure second cousins aren't). Granted, the "married" part bothers me, but there's not much that can be done about it now.

[Hans101]

Originally Posted by peebudy

what kills me is people that parachute in with their moral high ground HERE! I mean, anyone who logs into Lit shouldn't be looking to pass judgement on anyone else's kinks or fetishes. If you don't like a topic, don't read it!

live and let live!

I couldn't agree more. The only thing I take exception to is stuff that promotes the sexual abuse of children. Anything consenting adults want to do is fair game, even if it is not something I have any interest in doing myself.

The plain truth is that sometimes related adults choose to have sex together, and not because one person is abusing the other. Adult relatives fuck, they really do. Not often enough that such relationships can be considered commonplace, but far more often than anyone ever hears about. If it wasn't totally taboo and illegal to take your sibling to bed, I expect we'd all know people who do it. But because it is so forbidden, those of who indulge keep it to ourselves.

[Cenzo_Cava]

My biggest fetish right now is a sexy mother who wants to watch as I fuck her sexy young daughter like a slut. The idea that her mother wants to watch really gets me hard!

Do you think this hot or creepy?

[eightlugin]

hot. I like that. I might put that in the spank bank.

[matharasi2]

Originally Posted by InBrightestDay

Wow. It's wonderful to know that you and your mother are happy, and that your children are healthy. It's especially nice that you have people around you who accept your relationship.



I didn't know about that. Given that Indian incest stories are kind of a sub-genre here, I had actually assumed it was more accepted in India than it is here in the West.

Anyway, again, I'm glad things worked out so well for you and your mom!

Thanks. If there is not family history of health problems, then first-generation of offspring (don't like the term "in-breeding") of any couple will likely be fine. Such things often happen in nature and issues only occurring if incest is repeated by several generations e.g. many fish and animals have "incest" unaware without issues.

It is nice to have close friends and family know about us and accept us, but I admit it still turns me on every time we meet new people as a couple rather than mother-son.

Incest is more common in Asia, I think, but most people still keep it secret as they have no need to go public.

[eric60red]

Originally Posted by SexyLitForAll

Some folks just can't tolerate others living the way they would like to live...if they had the stones to do so. So they just bitch about how immoral their subjects are. I see it all the time from hypocrytical "christians", waving their bibles in everyone's faces.

Totaly agree, its quite simple realy, it sombody has high moral standards, what they doing in this web site? We all have a choice, and I choose to be here of my own free will, to do as I please, within the rules of the web site. I dont expect to be lectured, because I have a fantasy.

[NoMoreNoMore]

Probably the best points have to do with people being critical when they are on a sexual based web site to begin with. Yes, with the exception of children and non-consensual, people should just let everyone just be. Do as ye will, but do no harm.
Also as far as the genetics, royalty in Europe were renowned for their incestuous behavior and yet they still ruled countries. Yes, some may have ended up with quirks after decades if not centuries of incestuous behavior, but unless a seriously bad trait is in the genes, it isn't going to be passed. Mutated, maybe. The thing about incest was to prevent the strengthening of bad genes. Anyone who has dealt with dog breeding knows that there are certain breeds that have issues now because of intense in-breeding. The German Shephards have a hip problem that has become pretty much standard due to this. The problem isn't the occasional incest, but the continued incest. In the case of dogs, it would be where the same female was used to breed from the Father, then the son, then the grandson. Or the obverse with the male where they were used to impregnate the mother, then the daughter, then the granddaughters, as long he as could still breed. So in reality, the occasional incest in the family is generally not going to present any adverse issues. In the end, I believe it was two issues that made it so taboo, the history of European in-breeding of royalty, and the inflow of Christian puritanism.

All that being said, I have to admit to having a thing for my sister that goes a long way back. It all started with some playful wrestling at my Mom's after I got out of the service. We always wrestled around, but I got the move on her and she feel back on the bed and because of her hold on me, she pulled me down on top. I was laying on top of her and looked down into her eyes and my heart just fluttered. I just wanted to kiss her then, but got up and went out for a run in the woods. Like most when first faced their first incestuous thoughts, especially with a Catholic background, I was repulsed and thought I was a sick puke.
Well, many years have passed, and out of my sisters, she still has the hottest body. She has a son with Aspergers and doesn't get out much and we have had long talks and she happened to mention how hard it is to have a relationship. I told her that if she wasn't my sister, I would have asked her out. She just said, yeah, but I am. She came over the other night to see my wife and when my wife left the room and she was standing there, I looked over to her and smiled and she batted her eyes back at me. I felt that flutter. I know she was just joking but maybe that seed was planted. Though, she still goes to church and tries to do good all the time. Of course, if my wife and I had any sexual relations, I might not even be considering this, but over three years now and nothing. But that's another story.

[matharasi2]

Originally Posted by NoMoreNoMore

Probably the best points have to do with people being critical when they are on a sexual based web site to begin with. Yes, with the exception of children and non-consensual, people should just let everyone just be. Do as ye will, but do no harm.
Also as far as the genetics, royalty in Europe were renowned for their incestuous behavior and yet they still ruled countries. Yes, some may have ended up with quirks after decades if not centuries of incestuous behavior, but unless a seriously bad trait is in the genes, it isn't going to be passed. Mutated, maybe. The thing about incest was to prevent the strengthening of bad genes. Anyone who has dealt with dog breeding knows that there are certain breeds that have issues now because of intense in-breeding. The German Shephards have a hip problem that has become pretty much standard due to this. The problem isn't the occasional incest, but the continued incest. In the case of dogs, it would be where the same female was used to breed from the Father, then the son, then the grandson. Or the obverse with the male where they were used to impregnate the mother, then the daughter, then the granddaughters, as long he as could still breed. So in reality, the occasional incest in the family is generally not going to present any adverse issues. In the end, I believe it was two issues that made it so taboo, the history of European in-breeding of royalty, and the inflow of Christian puritanism.

All that being said, I have to admit to having a thing for my sister that goes a long way back. It all started with some playful wrestling at my Mom's after I got out of the service. We always wrestled around, but I got the move on her and she feel back on the bed and because of her hold on me, she pulled me down on top. I was laying on top of her and looked down into her eyes and my heart just fluttered. I just wanted to kiss her then, but got up and went out for a run in the woods. Like most when first faced their first incestuous thoughts, especially with a Catholic background, I was repulsed and thought I was a sick puke.
Well, many years have passed, and out of my sisters, she still has the hottest body. She has a son with Aspergers and doesn't get out much and we have had long talks and she happened to mention how hard it is to have a relationship. I told her that if she wasn't my sister, I would have asked her out. She just said, yeah, but I am. She came over the other night to see my wife and when my wife left the room and she was standing there, I looked over to her and smiled and she batted her eyes back at me. I felt that flutter. I know she was just joking but maybe that seed was planted. Though, she still goes to church and tries to do good all the time. Of course, if my wife and I had any sexual relations, I might not even be considering this, but over three years now and nothing. But that's another story.

That is good point about in-breeding. Well articulated.

My mother and I already have a young toddler and there has been no issues at all. In fact, she wanted to get pregnant by me and did a lot of research on the topic. We had no issues conceiving or during the pregnancy or birth, and hence are currently trying for our second baby. There is a lot of scare-mongering in society, for reasons you touched upon, but the reality is as you stated, as long as it is not successive there is unlikely to be a problem. Also I think nature has built in safeguards and if we were incompatible then conceiving would be harder (and if we thought our child would have issues we would have taken the conception difficulty at face value and not proceeded).

Anyway, it is incredible feeling to be joined so closely to someone you love so much and having children is natural consequence. I am particularly lucky as my relationship with mother has accepted by our close friends and family, and although some of them did express concerns at her pregnancy, raising afore mentioned issues, they have been very supportive since. In fact her fiends actively encourage her to get pregnant again soon as the bigger concern is now her age (early forties).

Lastly, if you have feelings for your sister, you should pursue them if she is interested. You only live once. Good luck.

[InBrightestDay]

Originally Posted by NoMoreNoMore

Also as far as the genetics, royalty in Europe were renowned for their incestuous behavior and yet they still ruled countries. Yes, some may have ended up with quirks after decades if not centuries of incestuous behavior, but unless a seriously bad trait is in the genes, it isn't going to be passed.

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The problem isn't the occasional incest, but the continued incest.

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So in reality, the occasional incest in the family is generally not going to present any adverse issues. In the end, I believe it was two issues that made it so taboo, the history of European in-breeding of royalty, and the inflow of Christian puritanism.

There is this case to consider. First generation of incest (brother and sister), and two out of four children have disabilities. Further reading reveals that one was born premature and is epileptic, and the other has special needs (no word on what exactly those special needs are). If the dangerous genes are in there, sometimes all it takes is one generation for them to express themselves.

Though, she still goes to church and tries to do good all the time. Of course, if my wife and I had any sexual relations, I might not even be considering this, but over three years now and nothing. But that's another story.

There's nothing particularly wrong with your sister still going to church, is there?

You and your wife haven't had sex in three years? You might want to talk to her about that.

[Killjoy24]

Three years without sex! I can't go three days, sometimes three hours!

[gk6h]

Originally Posted by Killjoy24

Three years without sex! I can't go three days, sometimes three hours!

Love that

[InBrightestDay]

Originally Posted by matharasi2

Also I think nature has built in safeguards and if we were incompatible then conceiving would be harder

Unfortunately, not really. Every cell does have safeguards in place, but these are against mutations that take place either when the cell is dividing (what amounts to a typo in DNA replication) or when the cell gets hit with a mutagen. In either case, the cell will repair the damage if possible, and otherwise it will self-destruct. This doesn't look anywhere near as cool as it sounds; the cell doesn't explode...darn it

However, as long as DNA replication is successful, the cell won't do anything about it. In addition, sometimes the mismatch repair proteins (think of them as your DNA proofreaders) just miss a mutation (this generally happens in the second case I mentioned: cell gets hit with a mutagen).

For instance, let's say your CFTR (Cystic Fibrosis Transmembrane conductance Regulator) gene on chromosome 7 gets mutated by a stray alpha particle. Your mismatch repair proteins may not notice this, and as such you may pass the gene on to your children. Now the mutated CFTR gene is recessive, so having just one mutated allele (copy) of it and one healthy allele will not cause any harm, but having two of the mutated alleles ("homozygous recessive" is the technical term) will give you cystic fibrosis. Note that you have two alleles for every gene, one from your father and one from your mother.

The increased risk associated with incest happens like this: if the mutation happens to you, and then you have two children, and each of your children gets one copy of the dangerous allele from you and one healthy allele from your spouse, then both children will be healthy. However, should your children decide to have kids with each other, each of their kids now has a 25% chance of getting two dangerous alleles and being born with cystic fibrosis.

Lastly, if you have feelings for your sister, you should pursue them if she is interested. You only live once. Good luck.

The problem is he's married, so getting involved with his sister would be, you know, cheating.

[Killjoy24]

To technical for me. I just know I love my man and if a baby happens - very slim chance for me - it happens.

[InBrightestDay]

Originally Posted by Killjoy24

To technical for me. I just know I love my man and if a baby happens - very slim chance for me - it happens.

The tl;dr version is that nature has safeguards, but they don't always work.

Like I said before, contraceptives are a great way to mitigate the genetic risks, so if your brother wears a condom or you use birth control pills, you should be fine.

[Killjoy24]

No birth control at all - my chance of a baby is only 2-3% do to a misscarriage

[matharasi2]

Originally Posted by InBrightestDay

There is this case to consider. First generation of incest (brother and sister), and two out of four children have disabilities. Further reading reveals that one was born premature and is epileptic, and the other has special needs (no word on what exactly those special needs are). If the dangerous genes are in there, sometimes all it takes is one generation for them to express themselves.

That was interesting. In this case epilepsy due to premature birth rather than incest, etc. Also epilepsy is a relatively common condition anyway (hence why warnings about flashing lights in some films etc), and not generally classed as a disability e.g. try claiming welfare for it unless you have an extreme case.

Regardless, if your family has no history of common hereditary disability e.g. heart conditionp, it is unlikely to develop in your children, even if by incest. Cystic Fibrosis etc is an edge case etc.

Lastly, as Killjoy24 has implied, and the real-world case you have linked shows, most couples (incest or not) will not be too concerned anyway. My mother and I are in love (as a man and woman, not just mother and son) and she craves to be pregnant by me again, and I'd like for her to have another baby. I intend to make her pregnant as soon as possible. She has already had three children (my elder sibling and I, and now my child) so another baby is not really needed, but it's what we all desire. Even our friends and relatives are supportive and know we are trying and actively encourage us.