What's the deal with these shemales?

[blade_rocknut]

Oh, and evidently I missed the part wherein an attraction to the gender variant nullifies one's ability to absolutely adore vagina..... Silly me.

[Queen_Vicki]

Originally Posted by stickygirl

Not wishing to put words into your mouth, but you're referring to the 'porn-star' shemales that adorn the internet: the ones who look much like a woman but have a dick in place. If that's the case then your objection is that the "deal with shemales" is not the shemale per se, but that the men who fancy them must be gay... Are you simply annoyed that those men aren't brave enough to admit they might be bi or gay? If that's the case - fair enough: that's your view. Men have never known what they want !

Ohhh,okay now I am understanding you. I am not annoyed with them, I just cannot understand it,or their attraction and still cal themselves straight.But they are grown ass men, and they can do whatever they want to do.

[Queen_Vicki]

Originally Posted by blade_rocknut

Yeah...you're right. Your opinion is going to be rather unpopular, especially the bit about "trannies or shemales" ( which, I believe you intend to include transgendered and transexual male to female beings) being no more than men in a dress.

I'm a man in a dress (or shorts, or girl jeans...); I'm a crossdresser. A transvestite; literally interpreted. I enjoy blurring gender lines a bit. I'm okay with being referered to as gender variant, dysphoric, or whatever. I don't (usually) WANT to be a woman.

I am not trangendered...or transsexual. *They* are not men in dresses...(nods to the ftm category, which is off topic). I don't suppose my post will change your mind, which; judging by the harshness of your words is vehemently determined to see things in the strict binary sense.

I won't even *try* to clarify to you how gender expression and sexual preference are two totally unrelated things, or how sexual attraction can be based on so much more than the almighty peen and hoo hah.

I am not being harsh towards those people,well not knowingly. Call me a bigot all you want to,but I just do not see them as women,like they want to be,even if they cut off their dicks.No matter how much you try to fix it, if you are born a man you are a man.

[stickygirl]

Originally Posted by Queen_Vicki

Ohhh,okay now I am understanding you. I am not annoyed with them, I just cannot understand it,or their attraction and still cal themselves straight.But they are grown ass men, and they can do whatever they want to do.

So just a rhetorical question then? OK...

[SecretSong]

Originally Posted by Queen_Vicki

I am not being harsh towards those people,well not knowingly. Call me a bigot all you want to,but I just do not see them as women,like they want to be,even if they cut off their dicks.No matter how much you try to fix it, if you are born a man you are a man.

not a bigot, but a troll is still a troll

[stickygirl]

Originally Posted by Queen_Vicki

I am not being harsh towards those people,well not knowingly. Call me a bigot all you want to,but I just do not see them as women,like they want to be,even if they cut off their dicks.No matter how much you try to fix it, if you are born a man you are a man.

You just don't recognise an olive branch when it's offered to you huh? I can see you and Judge Bill Graves have much in common. Well Hitler didn't have anything against the Jews as such but ...

[blade_rocknut]

Originally Posted by Queen_Vicki

I am not being harsh towards those people,well not knowingly. Call me a bigot all you want to,but I just do not see them as women,like they want to be,even if they cut off their dicks.No matter how much you try to fix it, if you are born a man you are a man.

To quote the Dude...."yeah, well....that's just, like...your opinion, man!".

Your opinion is similar to many who've never dealt with or know someone dealing with any level of gender dysphoria. (it's a real sho-nuf phrase) You're entitled to it; that's O.K. with me.

What I don't get is why this whole pot of beans bothers you so. It's not as though the existence of transfolk is taking wonderful eligible TWUE straight males out of the breeding pool, because
(1); they still dig the poon, and
(2); your obvious disdain for non straight men is blatant...you don't want them anyway.

Why do I feel as if I'm talking to a male here....?

[Luna_Wolf72]

I am ONLY here to stalk the sweet'ums above me...

*stalk*

[blade_rocknut]

Originally Posted by Luna_Wolf72

I am ONLY here to stalk the sweet'ums above me...

*stalk*

*tacklehump&grope*

[Luna_Wolf72]

Originally Posted by blade_rocknut

*tacklehump&grope*

SWEET!

I had wanted to add my 2 cents here but seeing as I am only gender queer in the sense that i am a chick who feels like a bisexual boy inside and can take or leave my breasts as the case demands, well...I didn't think what i had to say was very pertinent to the conversation.

PLUS, others have said most of the bits I would have said anyway.

[Queen_Vicki]

Originally Posted by stickygirl

You just don't recognise an olive branch when it's offered to you huh? I can see you and Judge Bill Graves have much in common. Well Hitler didn't have anything against the Jews as such but ...

Ummmm, You don't know me well enough to compare to a psychopath.

[blade_rocknut]

Originally Posted by Luna_Wolf72

SWEET!

I had wanted to add my 2 cents here but seeing as I am only gender queer in the sense that i am a chick who feels like a bisexual boy inside and can take or leave my breasts as the case demands, well...I didn't think what i had to say was very pertinent to the conversation.

PLUS, others have said most of the bits I would have said anyway.

To note, the ftm side of things always gets deeply neglected....

But since you have those chesticles, mind if I put my face there? Looks comfy, ya know.

[Queen_Vicki]

Originally Posted by blade_rocknut

To quote the Dude...."yeah, well....that's just, like...your opinion, man!".

Your opinion is similar to many who've never dealt with or know someone dealing with any level of gender dysphoria. (it's a real sho-nuf phrase) You're entitled to it; that's O.K. with me.

What I don't get is why this whole pot of beans bothers you so. It's not as though the existence of transfolk is taking wonderful eligible TWUE straight males out of the breeding pool, because
(1); they still dig the poon, and
(2); your obvious disdain for non straight men is blatant...you don't want them anyway.

Why do I feel as if I'm talking to a male here....?

Trust me I am a woman a straight woman btw.And I definitely am not worried about 20% or more of the male population liking shemales,it's their prerogative, I was just curious is all, and cannot understand how can they call themselves straight.

I do, however get mad at the fact, when some people say shemales look better than natural born women.Now that really pisses me off, and it speaks of ignorance.

[blade_rocknut]

Originally Posted by Queen_Vicki

Trust me I am a woman a straight woman btw.And I definitely am not worried about 20% or more of the male population liking shemales,it's their prerogative, I was just curious is all, and cannot understand how can they call themselves straight.

I do, however get mad at the fact, when some people say shemales look better than natural born women.Now that really pisses me off, and it speaks of ignorance.

Well, the "shemales" to which are being referred are of course the porn generated caricatures of exaggerated femininity. To be frank, a number of very exceptional TS actresses DO exhibit traits that *most* males would find more attractive than the average woman. Female porn stars also largely represent extremes in femininity.

I fail to see the fuel for your anger's fire. Beauty is, of course; in the beholder's eye.

[Luna_Wolf72]

Originally Posted by blade_rocknut

To note, the ftm side of things always gets deeply neglected....

But since you have those chesticles, mind if I put my face there? Looks comfy, ya know.

*pats the chesticle* All yours papi...

Originally Posted by Queen_Vicki

Trust me I am a woman a straight woman btw.And I definitely am not worried about 20% or more of the male population liking shemales,it's their prerogative, I was just curious is all, and cannot understand how can they call themselves straight.

I do, however get mad at the fact, when some people say shemales look better than natural born women.Now that really pisses me off, and it speaks of ignorance.

I find that odd too....or at least I did.

I am queer.
Gender queer, more lesbian than straight by a long shot...
and yet, I dig men for their penis.

I still think of myself as queer...because A penis is NOT a man...it is a body part...and for the most part I am drawn to women.

For those men, it could be like having the best of both worlds in that they love women but want that extra bit...without thier woman having to strap up to give it to them.

That doesn't make them less straight...not in their heads, nor in my mine.

But that is just my take on it...YMMV...

[stickygirl]

Originally Posted by Queen_Vicki

Ummmm, You don't know me well enough to compare to a psychopath.

Hitler suffered from numerous psychological and physical problems but he was not a psychopath: he was responsible for his actions despite paranoia, narcissism, anxiety, depression and hypochondria. No, I wasn't making a personal comparison but his blanket abhorrence for the Jews is comparable to your attitude to transgender people: just how many "shemales" have you met?

[Teman01]

Originally Posted by Queen_Vicki

Trust me I am a woman a straight woman btw.And I definitely am not worried about 20% or more of the male population liking shemales,it's their prerogative, I was just curious is all, and cannot understand how can they call themselves straight.

I do, however get mad at the fact, when some people say shemales look better than natural born women.Now that really pisses me off, and it speaks of ignorance.

Kinda curious as t why a "straight" woman would make so many posts threads in GLBT forum.

[blade_rocknut]

*snuggles Luna's bewbages*


The question was "what's the deal"....I think it's been covered.

[stickygirl]

*yawn* bored now....

[Queen_Vicki]

Originally Posted by blade_rocknut

Well, the "shemales" to which are being referred are of course the porn generated caricatures of exaggerated femininity. To be frank, a number of very exceptional TS actresses DO exhibit traits that *most* males would find more attractive than the average woman. Female porn stars also largely represent extremes in femininity.

I fail to see the fuel for your anger's fire. Beauty is, of course; in the beholder's eye.

Again I am not angry.I am just saying how can a man that's is supposedly straight likes dick.Whether it's fake, attached a woman that use to be man, or otherwise.And I agree beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and if you think those men/women are beautiful then good for you,others may not feel that way.
#
TS actresses DO exhibit traits that *most* males would find more attractive than the average woman.
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Above statement is the one I have a problem with.Many men that say these things,probably are not bringing much to the table anyways, and expect women to do everything.

[Queen_Vicki]

Originally Posted by stickygirl

Hitler suffered from numerous psychological and physical problems but he was not a psychopath: he was responsible for his actions despite paranoia, narcissism, anxiety, depression and hypochondria. No, I wasn't making a personal comparison but his blanket abhorrence for the Jews is comparable to your attitude to transgender people: just how many "shemales" have you met?

For the Hitler thing I would say you are wrong big time, but that would be a waste.Oh My God I can't believe you have the gall to say something this like that.DAMN.

[blade_rocknut]

Originally Posted by Queen_Vicki

Again I am not angry.I am just saying how can a man that's is supposedly straight likes dick.Whether it's fake, attached a woman that use to be man, or otherwise.And I agree beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and if you think those men/women are beautiful then good for you,others may not feel that way.
#
TS actresses DO exhibit traits that *most* males would find more attractive than the average woman.
#

Above statement is the one I have a problem with.Many men that say these things want out of women they should not give or cannot give,especially when the men don't bring the same things

O.K....I give up. The last sentence is just literally unintelligible.

And now "U R so ghey if you like *fake* dick...."

[Queen_Vicki]

Originally Posted by Teman01

Kinda curious as t why a "straight" woman would make so many posts threads in GLBT forum.

Well I guess that's my que to leave.Bye.

[ndoorfin]

did I get here too late?
we all have our little side trips on the journey of life
curiousity is our bed rock we have to try things we know we shouldn't, man has jumped off cliffs with various things strapped to there backs in an attempt to fly only to plumet

so who cares where we start and where we end, take a big bite out of life and chew like crazy
did that makes sense, no it's all good for me

loving life

[SecretSong]

Originally Posted by ndoorfin

did I get here too late?
we all have our little side trips on the journey of life
curiousity is our bed rock we have to try things we know we shouldn't, man has jumped off cliffs with various things strapped to there backs in an attempt to fly only to plumet

so who cares where we start and where we end, take a big bite out of life and chew like crazy
did that makes sense, no it's all good for me

loving life

And BAM! The mic hits the floor