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Old 09-29-2012, 07:48 AM   #26
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Coming back to the OPs question: I've been in conversation with one or two women who find the idea of a M2F person sexually attractive so... it's not just the guys. I wonder how many women have that lurking thought but are maybe too ashamed to admit it? A few years ago wasn't being a lesbian a real taboo subject?
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:03 AM   #27
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Yes, I belonged to a Church, not there now, where a Lesbian was kicked out because of her sexuality.

Ashamed to say I did nothing, hopefully I would do better in the future.

I do have a friend who is TS, well a friend on Facebook.
We talk about a lot of stuff, but not really sex.
You see she is a human being, same as the rest of us.

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Old 09-29-2012, 08:03 AM   #28
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yeah they are all over the place. And they work real hard to look good, because they are mostly prostitutes, and they have to look good or be brutalised by pimps.

What is this endless natter about "looking good," as if these people were dollies, or your beer can collection? Is that really the only thing some of you care about?
This is a porn board. The people who come here have the erotic ideals of men and women in mind.

Whether its right or wrong, people fantasize about perfect forms men and women alike.

And as a society we are pretty vain.

A quick non sarcastic question for you. When you masturbate and you fantasize is the object of your fantasy unattractive? Even if the people you date are not based on perfection, in our fantasies they generally are, part of why its fantasy
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As to She-males, I have to admit I have a weird fascination with them.

I'm completely straight, meaning that unlike an above poster I have no desire to worship a woman by sucking their cock, (I'm not speaking against that, just saying its not me)

However, I have found myself looking at the pic threads and even watching a few videos and I find them arousing to a degree.

Most of the ones posted are are very beautiful and seeing a man being fucked by them does bring up my submissive side and I see it as a form of fem-dom.

Not enough to ever have the desire to try it, but I have found the vids a bit of a guilty pleasure.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:14 PM   #30
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You obviously have not traveled much in Thailand. They are all over the place and they generally look better than the genetic females.
I have been around more then you, believe me. Asians often have much finer bone structure then caucasions, many Asian men a small boned, have fine features and the often lack of facial hair helps a great deal. Asian CD's, for example generally have a much easier time then those of European ancestry...the Thai "ladyboy's" you see are because Thai men generally are smaller and slight compares to a typical European male. Folks of African ancestry can do well in transition as well, but it all depends background, tall gals of that background have trouble because of their size and bone structure, too...

There are a lot of 'hot' gals in porn from Brazil (talking trans), and a lot of that has to do with the genetic mix of the people and so forth.

You are seeing the exceptions as the rule, not the rule in other words. Stella is correct, most trans girls look nothing like the images in those movies, it would be like expecting every guy to have the dick of a typical male pornstar or every woman to look like a porn actress, they don't, there is a reason why they are in porn, it is because they fit the image.
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This is a porn board. The people who come here have the erotic ideals of men and women in mind.

Whether its right or wrong, people fantasize about perfect forms men and women alike.

And as a society we are pretty vain.

A quick non sarcastic question for you. When you masturbate and you fantasize is the object of your fantasy unattractive? Even if the people you date are not based on perfection, in our fantasies they generally are, part of why its fantasy
This isn't entirely a porn board, this board has how to sections, sections on BD/SM, fetish, etc, which are about people in real relationships doing real things, and this section is GLBT chatter, which again is about real people, too.

There is nothing wrong with fetish or fantasy, but Stella and Sticky and I were simply pointing out Shemale is a fantasy term, not a reality, and also to the OP pointing out that transwomen are not Shemales, it is an answer to her original question. Fantasy is all well and good, but it also is valid to talk about reality, if women took their cues on what men were from porn movies very few guys would have much of a life, since real men a)generally aren't endowed like that and b) can't come and come like that in real life.....nor do women orgasm like the porn actresses show, either.....unfortunately with trans gals the only image a lot of people have is from porn, that is what Stella and I and others were trying to dispel. I remember an online conversation years ago with a NYC cop (before the internet, on a chat BBS) and he basically said someday he would be arresting me, because his only exposure to trans folk were the prostitutes that then congregated in the meat packing district (the only prostitutes there now are high priced escorts on the arm of some high power type at a club or something, and that is the point.
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Old 09-29-2012, 03:34 PM   #32
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I have been around more then you, .
Maybe so but I have had sex with M to F on four different continents. I really enjoy the kink factor with a passable shemale. The best of both worlds I say. However, I prefer a beautiful genetic girl...smething about the kink factor of a beautiful slutty TS gurl that gets me going though. I masturbate to TS's more often or at least as often as genetic females. In reality I actually enjoy sex with a genetic girl better. I do not even understand why.
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This is a porn board. The people who come here have the erotic ideals of men and women in mind.

Whether its right or wrong, people fantasize about perfect forms men and women alike.

And as a society we are pretty vain.
We certainly have become so! It's getting to be time to start counteracting that. It is "wrong" in a sense, when people don't bother to differentiate between their fantasy and reality-- like the dude said; "They (all) look like this"-- and then we start getting the message that fantasy and reality are not different.
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A quick non sarcastic question for you. When you masturbate and you fantasize is the object of your fantasy unattractive? Even if the people you date are not based on perfection, in our fantasies they generally are, part of why its fantasy
Well... physical perfection, no-- not even in fantasy. My fantasy lovers aren't real visible to me, sort of placeholders for reality-- if reality included mind reading in bed!

Hmm. lemme think about that for a while. Start a new thread or somfin.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:23 PM   #34
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Maybe so but I have had sex with M to F on four different continents. I really enjoy the kink factor with a passable shemale. The best of both worlds I say. However, I prefer a beautiful genetic girl...smething about the kink factor of a beautiful slutty TS gurl that gets me going though. I masturbate to TS's more often or at least as often as genetic females. In reality I actually enjoy sex with a genetic girl better. I do not even understand why.
"A passable shemale"?! I bet you wowed them with that attitude then
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"A passable shemale"?! I bet you wowed them with that attitude then
He wowed them with cash or MasterCard.
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Old 09-30-2012, 12:37 AM   #37
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I think its going to be hard(no pun intended) to find a Straight Male who is going to be in this chat area, so your answers are slanted towards a more open minded male who is secure with his sexuality.
Being a secure Bi-male my self I will tell you I love women and are fascinated by them. then you combine a super hot female body, great looks and sexuality and you add a nice cock and you have a sexual dia-n-mo that has great boobs, tight abs, loves to suck cock, and enjoys having a cock in her ass, Its a dream cum true. I can also see why the females would enjoy a shemale lover, The soft sexy skin and feel of a female body, the gentleness of her touch and yet she can screw her brains out like a beast! Whats not to love!!! Personally I would have a shemale lover on call all the time if the wife would let me...
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Love shemales too, but not ones who look like amazon porn stars with fake tits. Give me a femboy with small tits and a nice cock instead.
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I think its going to be hard(no pun intended) to find a Straight Male who is going to be in this chat area, so your answers are slanted towards a more open minded male who is secure with his sexuality.
Being a secure Bi-male my self I will tell you I love women and are fascinated by them. then you combine a super hot female body, great looks and sexuality and you add a nice cock and you have a sexual dia-n-mo that has great boobs, tight abs, loves to suck cock, and enjoys having a cock in her ass, Its a dream cum true.
I can also see why the females would enjoy a shemale lover, The soft sexy skin and feel of a female body, the gentleness of her touch and yet she can screw her brains out like a beast! Whats not to love!!! Personally I would have a shemale lover on call all the time if the wife would let me...
Hmm. You might want to think this out a little more carefully...
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Maybe so but I have had sex with M to F on four different continents. I really enjoy the kink factor with a passable shemale. The best of both worlds I say. However, I prefer a beautiful genetic girl...smething about the kink factor of a beautiful slutty TS gurl that gets me going though. I masturbate to TS's more often or at least as often as genetic females. In reality I actually enjoy sex with a genetic girl better. I do not even understand why.
How can you say prefer you a genetic girl, when you clearly said that most shemales look better than genetic women? I would imagine if someone who is not attracted to genetic born women,but find shemales more appealing would not waste time with someone they are not attracted too.Do yourself a favorsweetie, throw caution to the wind, get yourself a shemale as a life partner.
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If I may chime in....

I think it is not fair to judge the people who have taken an interest in the whole "shemale" fetish. There is something to be said about what people find attractive and I think the strength and following "shemale porn" has garnered has revealed a few interesting things about society as a whole.

First and foremost it shows what some individuals really find attractive. While it is obvious that the models and porn stars are pre-operative transsexuals, they revel and adhere to a strict commercial version o femininity. With their clothes on, would anyone be able to see anything more than a beautiful woman on the street? I think some would, especially if they know what to look for and/or are actively looking for signs.

Second, I think it also shows a movement from the penis being seen as something taboo outside of a "normal" heterosexual coupling to something that is in many ways a universally erotic symbol.

I think that many men seem to feel that an attraction to cock (be it physical, emotional, or something else) automatically makes them gay, and they are uncomfortable with that. When they see a strong erect cock attached to an extremely feminine form, it suddenly becomes OK.

I myself often thought the same thing. I love looking at T-girls. I love dating them, I love socializing with them and I love the sex with them. But here is the thing, I don't see them as Tgirls, or trannys, or shemales. To me they are just women. I'm attracted to the feminine. I find the cock play an added bonus. I love using toys, having them used on me and enjoy giving and receiving oral form the girls, as well as giving and receiving anal.

I enjoy cock. I don't enjoy men. I do not find them attractive in anyway whatsoever. I'm fine with a strap on being worn by a GG. I love having a fully functioning T-girl partner in bed with me, but I want nothing to do with the masculine.

I think what is at play here, is just that. They are trying to detach previous feelings and notions from an emotion they don't understand or explain.

It's just a thought. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how it works for me. Would love to hear more from everyone.
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If I may chime in....

I think it is not fair to judge the people who have taken an interest in the whole "shemale" fetish. There is something to be said about what people find attractive and I think the strength and following "shemale porn" has garnered has revealed a few interesting things about society as a whole.

First and foremost it shows what some individuals really find attractive. While it is obvious that the models and porn stars are pre-operative transsexuals, they revel and adhere to a strict commercial version o femininity. With their clothes on, would anyone be able to see anything more than a beautiful woman on the street? I think some would, especially if they know what to look for and/or are actively looking for signs.

Second, I think it also shows a movement from the penis being seen as something taboo outside of a "normal" heterosexual coupling to something that is in many ways a universally erotic symbol.

I think that many men seem to feel that an attraction to cock (be it physical, emotional, or something else) automatically makes them gay, and they are uncomfortable with that. When they see a strong erect cock attached to an extremely feminine form, it suddenly becomes OK.

I myself often thought the same thing. I love looking at T-girls. I love dating them, I love socializing with them and I love the sex with them. But here is the thing, I don't see them as Tgirls, or trannys, or shemales. To me they are just women. I'm attracted to the feminine. I find the cock play an added bonus. I love using toys, having them used on me and enjoy giving and receiving oral form the girls, as well as giving and receiving anal.

I enjoy cock. I don't enjoy men. I do not find them attractive in anyway whatsoever. I'm fine with a strap on being worn by a GG. I love having a fully functioning T-girl partner in bed with me, but I want nothing to do with the masculine.

I think what is at play here, is just that. They are trying to detach previous feelings and notions from an emotion they don't understand or explain.

It's just a thought. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how it works for me. Would love to hear more from everyone.
If that's how you want to paint it then that's on you.I have too strongly disagree for my opinions that you will not like to hear.
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If that's how you want to paint it then that's on you.I have too strongly disagree for my opinions that you will not like to hear.
I would love to hear them. This is still a free country, contrary to what some may believe
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I would love to hear them. This is still a free country, contrary to what some may believe
I do not consider trannies, or shemales women at all.I just think they are men in a dress, and went to a damn good plastic surgeon, and for these men to say they look way better then natural born women is really fucking offensive on so many levels, and to me such a huge ass double standard of irony.

Secondly The penis is hugely celebrated in this world more so then the vagina is, so saying the dick is taboo is straight up bullshit.And I saying this from the heart, I am not trying to be a bitch.

And lastly, and this is just me, and my opinions. I think men who mess around with trannies,shemales, or the like are just gay as hell.I do not care how many ways these men try to deny it, and say they are not gay, but they are in my eyes.How in the hell can a man say he does find men attractive but yet,wants to suck dick, and want to get fucked by someone that have a dick.They certainly do not like vaginas, they clearly explained what they like, and love and it;s the cock. So no matter how you paint it for me, men liking cock whether it's attached to a man that had surgery or not is still gay to me, or at least bisexual.
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I do not consider trannies, or shemales women at all.I just think they are men in a dress, and went to a damn good plastic surgeon, and for these men to say they look way better then natural born women is really fucking offensive on so many levels, and to me such a huge ass double standard of irony.

Secondly The penis is hugely celebrated in this world more so then the vagina is, so saying the dick is taboo is straight up bullshit.And I saying this from the heart, I am not trying to be a bitch.

And lastly, and this is just me, and my opinions. I think men who mess around with trannies,shemales, or the like are just gay as hell.I do not care how many ways these men try to deny it, and say they are not gay, but they are in my eyes.How in the hell can a man say he does find men attractive but yet,wants to suck dick, and want to get fucked by someone that have a dick.They certainly do not like vaginas, they clearly explained what they like, and love and it;s the cock. So no matter how you paint it for me, men liking cock whether it's attached to a man that had surgery or not is still gay to me, or at least bisexual.
It is a good point. I think the whole cock worship, combined with the fear or dislike of the masculine is what drives the whole industry. Not to say that I'm right but modern media has helped to disassociate one from the other.

Really in the end, we're all just people who want to get our dicks wet and our holes filled. We want someone to find us attractive enough to want to exert their basest carnal desires on.

I don't think its fair to say that a transgender individual is one thing or the other. They are what they are in their hearts. I'll treat them as they want to be treated. I'll identify them as they wish, because thats who they are.

I think that if you connect with someone and enjoy their company and body then just fuck it. I know what I like. I know I do not find the masculine form or masculine behavior attractive. So yeah, you can probably label me bi because I enjoy a good cock, be it plastic or attached to a CD/TV/TS. I love pussy too.

I just wish people could get away from the porn and see that they are people too
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I do not consider trannies, or shemales women at all.I just think they are men in a dress, and went to a damn good plastic surgeon, and for these men to say they look way better then natural born women is really fucking offensive on so many levels, and to me such a huge ass double standard of irony.

Secondly The penis is hugely celebrated in this world more so then the vagina is, so saying the dick is taboo is straight up bullshit.And I saying this from the heart, I am not trying to be a bitch.

And lastly, and this is just me, and my opinions. I think men who mess around with trannies,shemales, or the like are just gay as hell.I do not care how many ways these men try to deny it, and say they are not gay, but they are in my eyes.How in the hell can a man say he does find men attractive but yet,wants to suck dick, and want to get fucked by someone that have a dick.They certainly do not like vaginas, they clearly explained what they like, and love and it;s the cock. So no matter how you paint it for me, men liking cock whether it's attached to a man that had surgery or not is still gay to me, or at least bisexual.
Perhaps there is some 'label' confusion here again: do you mean "shemales/trannies" as in the people who have popped along to their surgeon for a set of boobs, some laser follicle removal but essentially keep everything in normal working order? You have some strong views there, so I wonder how objective you are being in your definition of "shemale" . I feel it is relevant to the discussion.
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Perhaps there is some 'label' confusion here again: do you mean "shemales/trannies" as in the people who have popped along to their surgeon for a set of boobs, some laser follicle removal but essentially keep everything in normal working order? You have some strong views there, so I wonder how objective you are being in your definition of "shemale" . I feel it is relevant to the discussion.
What do you mean? I am talking about who get boobies, but still keep their dick.
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What do you mean? I am talking about who get boobies, but still keep their dick.
Not wishing to put words into your mouth, but you're referring to the 'porn-star' shemales that adorn the internet: the ones who look much like a woman but have a dick in place. If that's the case then your objection is that the "deal with shemales" is not the shemale per se, but that the men who fancy them must be gay... Are you simply annoyed that those men aren't brave enough to admit they might be bi or gay? If that's the case - fair enough: that's your view. Men have never known what they want !
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I do not consider trannies, or shemales women at all.I just think they are men in a dress, and went to a damn good plastic surgeon, and for these men to say they look way better then natural born women is really fucking offensive on so many levels, and to me such a huge ass double standard of irony.

Secondly The penis is hugely celebrated in this world more so then the vagina is, so saying the dick is taboo is straight up bullshit.And I saying this from the heart, I am not trying to be a bitch.

And lastly, and this is just me, and my opinions. I think men who mess around with trannies,shemales, or the like are just gay as hell.I do not care how many ways these men try to deny it, and say they are not gay, but they are in my eyes.How in the hell can a man say he does find men attractive but yet,wants to suck dick, and want to get fucked by someone that have a dick.They certainly do not like vaginas, they clearly explained what they like, and love and it;s the cock. So no matter how you paint it for me, men liking cock whether it's attached to a man that had surgery or not is still gay to me, or at least bisexual.

Yeah...you're right. Your opinion is going to be rather unpopular, especially the bit about "trannies or shemales" ( which, I believe you intend to include transgendered and transexual male to female beings) being no more than men in a dress.

I'm a man in a dress (or shorts, or girl jeans...); I'm a crossdresser. A transvestite; literally interpreted. I enjoy blurring gender lines a bit. I'm okay with being referered to as gender variant, dysphoric, or whatever. I don't (usually) WANT to be a woman.

I am not trangendered...or transsexual. *They* are not men in dresses...(nods to the ftm category, which is off topic). I don't suppose my post will change your mind, which; judging by the harshness of your words is vehemently determined to see things in the strict binary sense.

I won't even *try* to clarify to you how gender expression and sexual preference are two totally unrelated things, or how sexual attraction can be based on so much more than the almighty peen and hoo hah.
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