Absinthe (now legal in the U.S.)

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I don't like booze (there's no denying that I'm "different-" in a LOT of ways :rolleyes: ). Nonetheless, this article caught my eye. Absinthe has a romantic image and I suspect the snake oil salesmen will make a ton of dough by exploiting the conscious/subconscious tendency of the hordes of the "young and stupid" who attempt to define their identities by what they drive/buy/drink.
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Absinthe Makes Splash After U.S. Ban
By Cindy Skrzycki

Oct. 16, 2007 (Bloomberg) -- Absinthe, an intense alcoholic spirit favored by artists such as Degas, Van Gogh and Hemingway, is making a comeback in the U.S. after being banned by the government for almost 100 years.

Its rebirth in trendy restaurants and bars is a triumph of marketing -- and of maneuvering through a maze of federal rules on formulas and labels. It took a Swiss distiller, an importer and a Washington attorney four years to navigate the bureaucracy, even after the drink was legalized again in Europe.

``This is a complex issue, and we are addressing it as best we can,'' said Art Resnick, a spokesman for the U.S. Treasury Department's Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau, referring to the process that led earlier this year to the agency approving four absinthe brands for sale in the U.S.

For much of the 19th and early 20th centuries, the typically green liquor, also known as the Green Fairy, was wildly popular among artists in Europe. It was the subject of the Edgar Degas painting ``L'Absinthe.'' Emile Zola mentioned it in a novel and Ernest Hemingway said: ``Got tight last night on absinthe. Did knife tricks.''

Absinthe was believed to contain large concentrations of wormwood, a plant containing the chemical thujone, which could induce hallucinations and a drug-like state. It was thought to be the source of Van Gogh's impulse to cut off his ear.

Imports of absinthe were banned by the U.S. Agriculture Department in 1912 because other countries had outlawed it. Later, a Food and Drug Administration rule demanding ``thujone- free'' products kept it off the market.

The whiff of illegality made absinthe all the more desirable. Groups such as the Wormwood Society kept the mystique alive. It was bootlegged, sold widely over the Internet, and smuggled in by travelers.

Ritualistic Ceremony
Once bans on the liquor were lifted in Europe in the 1990s, the campaign began in the U.S. to restore absinthe to the cocktail menu. The stakes were high for brand owners and importers. The winner would have a head start on marketing the drink, which costs $50 to $60 a bottle, and is often imbibed after a ritualistic ceremony.

In one method, the liquid is poured into a special glass, over which is placed an ornate slotted spoon holding a sugar cube. Cold water is then dripped over the sugar to dilute the high alcohol level. This transforms the color to milky white. In another, sugar on the spoon is set aflame and drips into the absinthe.

Robert Lehrman, a Washington attorney who specializes in seeking formula and label approvals at the Tax and Trade Bureau, said the government ``worked hard to keep the genie in the bottle.''

Still Illegal
Lehrman, representing an importer and Distillerie Kubler & Wyss of Motiers, Switzerland, cited endless quibbles by regulators. The biggest blow, he said, was last year when the bureau flatly rejected the label on the grounds that absinthe was still illegal.

It took a meeting this February between regulators and the trade counselor from the Swiss Embassy -- to explain that his country had dropped objections to absinthe in 2004 -- to restart the process.

Hurdles remained. When Kubler proposed putting 33.8 fluid ounces on its bottle label, regulators rejected it, saying the proper designation was 33.82 ounces. In May, Kubler was told to ``remove the `boldness' of the text on back label puffery and use the same size print for all text shown,'' according to one directive.

Approval for Swiss Absinthe Superieure Kubler, 106 proof, was granted on May 17. Kubler's success was diluted when a competitor, Lucid, Absinthe Superieure, 124 proof, was in the stores the same month, after being approved in March.

`Thujone Free'
Both brands met the government's ``thujone free'' standard, meaning each contains less than 10 parts of the chemical per million. Exactly how much thujone each formula includes, if any, is a trade secret.

Jared Gurfein attracted publicity for his Lucid brand when he abandoned a law career to start Viridian Spirits LLC in Manhasset, New York, to make and distill absinthe.

Gurfein also knew ``Kubler had hit a brick wall'' with regulators, he said.

``We pushed the door down and they walked through it,'' Lehrman said, expressing frustration with the red tape he faced.

``In this instance, there was more than one reason to take a look at these labels,'' said Resnick, whose Tax and Trade Bureau approved 125,000 labels for beer, wine and spirits last year. He wouldn't elaborate on what those reasons were.

`Chemicals of Concern'
A Web site for the Drug Enforcement Administration's ``office of diversion control'' still lists absinthe under ``drugs and chemicals of concern.'' And the U.S. Customs Web site continues to list it as banned. A Customs spokeswoman said while individual shipments are being approved for import, the agency is waiting for direction from the Tax and Trade Bureau.

In the meantime, the marketers have taken over.

``This is so easy,'' said Lyons Brown, chief executive of Altamar Brands LLC, in Corona del Mar, California, distributor for Kubler, as the product made its debut last week at Corio in Soho. ``The key is to just get it into the market with all the theatrics that go with it.''
 
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I think I will pass on absinthe. For one thing, it apparently makes you spell you name in weird ways, 'Cindy Skrzycki.'
 
LOL! Timely. Bel & I just finished writing a "trippy" absinthe-inspired blow job that involved both Alice in Wonderland and Mr. Fantastic.

:cool:
 
R. Richard said:
I think I will pass on absinthe. For one thing, it apparently makes you spell you name in weird ways, 'Cindy Skrzycki.'

Do we want to go off on a threadjack about bigotry here, or shall we just take that as read?
 
Stella_Omega said:
Do we want to go off on a threadjack about bigotry here, or shall we just take that as read?

How can you call it bigotry, when I present clear and convincing evidence? 'Cindy Skrzycki.'
 
R. Richard said:
How can you call it bigotry, when I present clear and convincing evidence? 'Cindy Skrzycki.'
Dude.

"Arr Rychyrd"-- that would be spelling your name funny.

"Fyrfly Drgynwhysp"-- "Tiffani Treasure" "Beeg Baad John" "El Vez"

god knows there are a lot of funny-spelled names out there. "Skrycki" is nothing more than a perfectly normal Polish surname, as transliterated into the Roman alphabet by English linguists who were hampered by cultural assumptions they didn't even know they had...

Pronounced;
"Sherchy," sort of. There are thousands of them, especially in the midwest.
 
I got a small bottle of it as a curio. I had no idea the green fairy was still inside. I must put it on a higher shelf...

Maharat
 
If it's "thujone-free" it's not real Absinthe. It's Absinthe-flavored high alcohol content booze.

Thujone-free Absinthe would be, in my admittedly limited knowledge, equivalent to THC-free marijuana.

What's the point??? I'd much rather have good cask strength scotch.
 
Stella_Omega said:
Pronounced;
"Sherchy," sort of. There are thousands of them, especially in the midwest.

We, here, would pronounce it Sker-zi-ski. Bah.
 
Belegon said:
If it's "thujone-free" it's not real Absinthe. It's Absinthe-flavored high alcohol content booze.

Thujone-free Absinthe would be, in my admittedly limited knowledge, equivalent to THC-free marijuana.

What's the point??? I'd much rather have good cask strength scotch.
I'm told that there are plenty of effective substitutes, anyway...
 
Stella_Omega said:
I'm told that there are plenty of effective substitutes, anyway...

Yeah, here in Kalyna country, it might have a more Ukrainian twang than what you'd see in and around Detroit.
 
First saw the thread title, I thought, 'well, someone's doing something for the country at last.' but of course, they won't have the real stuff in it, so there goes that.
The funny thing though, FWIW, the name of the company is the same as the original spelling of my family name, which happened to originate in Switzerland. Can't help but wonder if they might be distant relatives. Not that important, just curious.
Oh well...
 
Having utilized certain now highly illegal hallucinogenic drugs back "in the day" and having established that they had no lasting effects, no lasting effects, no lasting effects, no lasting effects on my brain..... Upon my first visit to Prague (home of the "real" stuff), I was eager to try the fabled Wormwood derived intoxicant of which we speak.

While the ritual of consuming is wonderfully entertaining.... Absinthe itself has nothing to recommend it, being perhaps the vilest tasting intoxicant I have ever sampled. And I perceived no effect beyond that of it's alcohol component.

But... there is the entertainment thing so.... knock yourself out! Try not to set yourself on fire drinking it.


But cool spoons!

:D

-KC
 
Anyone remember Everclear? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol) )

I once had a wonderful drink using this stuff called Apple Pie. It involved a full bottle of everclear, a full jug of apple juice, and some spices..cinnamon and nutmeg I believe. tasty, but wouldn't recommend it cold. heh

This thread just made me think of this, and the stuff in question is weak comparatively. Of course I think Everclear is banned in most, if not all, states now, so.....
 
keeblercrumb said:
Having utilized certain now highly illegal hallucinogenic drugs back "in the day" and having established that they had no lasting effects, no lasting effects, no lasting effects, no lasting effects on my brain..... Upon my first visit to Prague (home of the "real" stuff), I was eager to try the fabled Wormwood derived intoxicant of which we speak.

While the ritual of consuming is wonderfully entertaining.... Absinthe itself has nothing to recommend it, being perhaps the vilest tasting intoxicant I have ever sampled. And I perceived no effect beyond that of it's alcohol component.

But... there is the entertainment thing so.... knock yourself out! Try not to set yourself on fire drinking it.


But cool spoons!

:D

-KC


I actually (shhhhh!!!!! Georgie may be listening) have some of the "real stuff." I agree that I have not found there to be any more of a hallucinogenic effect then marijuana. It does seem to affect me differently than most alcohol, but I am quite aware that a bastardized "placebo effect" could be responsible.

I disagree with you on the taste though. Of course, I also like black licorice, the taste of which has certain similarities.
 
Wandering Star said:
Absinthe spoons are collector items. Beautiful in their own right, absinthe or no.
No doubt about it- cool spoons!


 
The "real thing" hasn't been around since before the First World War.

Any old bottles still extent are likely to be lethal. The wormwood could separate from the rest of the liquid over time and be concentrated in one part of the bottle.

What was considered normal in the early twentieth century would now be classed as dangerous. I remember Dr Collis-Browne's drops. They were standard in home medicine chests but contained large quantities of morphine. The modern product doesn't and is much less effective. :rolleyes:

Even some throat pastilles and diarrhoea medicines contained opium products when Og was young. Gin was considered suitable for flatulent babies. My first born seemed to love gripe-water until we realised that it had a higher alcohol content than some lagers.

Og
 
Stella_Omega said:
god knows there are a lot of funny-spelled names out there. "Skrycki" is nothing more than a perfectly normal Polish surname, as transliterated into the Roman alphabet by English linguists who were hampered by cultural assumptions they didn't even know they had...

Pronounced;
"Sherchy," sort of. There are thousands of them, especially in the midwest.

I believe that you have just agreed with my initial assessment.
 
alyxen said:
Anyone remember Everclear? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol) )

I once had a wonderful drink using this stuff called Apple Pie. It involved a full bottle of everclear, a full jug of apple juice, and some spices..cinnamon and nutmeg I believe. tasty, but wouldn't recommend it cold. heh

This thread just made me think of this, and the stuff in question is weak comparatively. Of course I think Everclear is banned in most, if not all, states now, so.....

OK, this is a bit of a threadjack. However, I live in the western US. Everclear is still available here and no high school prom is complete without an Everclear spike of the punch. Everclear is also highly prized in some circles since it is of such high proof that a bottle smuggled into a forbidden area will last quite a while.
 
R. Richard said:
OK, this is a bit of a threadjack. However, I live in the western US. Everclear is still available here and no high school prom is complete without an Everclear spike of the punch. Everclear is also highly prized in some circles since it is of such high proof that a bottle smuggled into a forbidden area will last quite a while.

Everclear is illegal in California. It's legality varies from state to state. I was exposed to it in college, in Iowa.
 
Belegon said:
Everclear is illegal in California. It's legality varies from state to state. I was exposed to it in college, in Iowa.

Yes. There are several states [11 IIRC] where Everclear is illegal. However, it is widely available in many western states.
 
Oops - Og is wrong

I found this: Absinthe

It seems that my information in my post above was based on the myth of absinthe, not the reality.

The link should give better information.

Og
 
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