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Just want to clarify. All characters (who have sex) must be what? 18+?
What about the lot of incest stories? Are they all 18+ there too, or is it okay for them to be, say, 17?

And another question: what if it's said that characters are studying in high school but the age is not specified at all? Will that be acceptable? Because I'm pretty sure you can be 18 in high school.:cattail:

What if the character is over 18, but he says he had sexual experiences since 14 - not graphically describing it, but mentioning. Is that ok or not?

Don't get me wrong, I don't plan on writing underage porn. I'm just thinking about highschool setting.:eek:
 
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There is no debate and no avoidance of Lit's age limit where sex is involved. See the posting rules.

The only way you can touch on a younger age is to separate the person from ANY sexual connection. "I lost my virginity at fifteen" is about all you can get away with.

Just write the story in an older environment, solves all issues.
 
One word - don't! Even if you explicitly state your character to be 18+ but (s-)he so much as thinks about a previous experience where it could be construed or inferred that (s-)he was 17 years 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes old or younger, it will be refused. It's the American Way; no-one ever has ANY sexual experiences of any kind, not even a single lewd thought, before their 18th Birthday.
 
Nezhul said:
Just want to clarify. All characters (who have sex) must be what? 18+?
What about the lot of incest stories? Are they all 18+ there too, or is it okay for them to be, say, 17?

And another question: what if it's said that characters are studying in high school but the age is not specified at all? Will that be acceptable? Because I'm pretty sure you can be 18 in high school.:cattail:

What if the character is over 18, but he says he had sexual experiences since 14 - not graphically describing it, but mentioning. Is that ok or not?

Don't get me wrong, I don't plan on writing underage porn. I'm just thinking about highschool setting.:eek:
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I suggest that you look closely at all the previous threads on the subject of age.
There's been enough of this 'can I/they' in recent months to fill a library.
There are Rules & guidance available round here for you to consult.

Good Luck.
 
Handley_Page said:
I suggest that you look closely at all the previous threads on the subject of age.
There's been enough of this 'can I/they' in recent months to fill a library.
There are Rules & guidance available round here for you to consult.

Good Luck.
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Oh, that's a GREAT advice, only.... searching on this forums is a nightmare.

Let me hear a good search line suggestion. Only remember that words that are too short (such as, well, "age") and that are too common are NOT included in the search and you can't use them.

If you suggest I go through hundreds of forum pages, reading every topic title - no thanks. I think it's much faster to ask.:cattail:

And frankly, answering would have been twice as fast for you, as it took you to write your "smart" reply.

Anyway I heard all answers except one:
what if it's said that characters are studying in high school but the age is not specified at all? Will that be acceptable? Because I'm pretty sure you can be 18 in high school.
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Anyway I heard all answers except one:
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Everyone is the Poo-Ba here :p

See, I take is as a to-know basis. You're right, you can be anywhere from 15-21 in high school (early starter, grade repeater) and in the same vein, you can be 17 and be in a university. You don't have to specify your age. The settings assume the age (working/college/driving/living alone).

Just don't put someone who is blatantly underage into the situation.
 
NicoleZ said:
One word - don't! Even if you explicitly state your character to be 18+ but (s-)he so much as thinks about a previous experience where it could be construed or inferred that (s-)he was 17 years 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes old or younger, it will be refused.
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Laurel has repeatedly said that it's okay for stories to acknowledge the existence of under-age sex ("I lost my virginity at 15"), it just can't be explicit. See e.g. http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=40296889&postcount=35

One of mine has a character talking about how her grandmother gave her The Talk about safe sex on her 14th birthday. She then finds out that Grandma was "quite an adventurous young lady", leading to a shotgun wedding at sixteen. Laurel let that through without a hitch.

Nezhul said:
Oh, that's a GREAT advice, only.... searching on this forums is a nightmare.
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...partly because people keep cluttering it up by starting new threads instead of looking for answers in the old ones...

Let me hear a good search line suggestion. Only remember that words that are too short (such as, well, "age") and that are too common are NOT included in the search and you can't use them.
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Searching the Authors' Hangout on "eighteen years" finds several threads relevant to this question, e.g. this one.

Searching AH on "underage" with author "Laurel" finds the post I quoted to Nicole above, which directly answers a couple of your questions.
 
Nezhul said:
Oh, that's a GREAT advice, only.... searching on this forums is a nightmare.

Let me hear a good search line suggestion. Only remember that words that are too short (such as, well, "age") and that are too common are NOT included in the search and you can't use them.

If you suggest I go through hundreds of forum pages, reading every topic title - no thanks. I think it's much faster to ask.:cattail:

And frankly, answering would have been twice as fast for you, as it took you to write your "smart" reply.

Anyway I heard all answers except one:
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The reply wasn't intended to be "smart".
You're right. it's not easy to search. But you were the one who asked the question; surely you cannot Expect everyone else to do the search for you ?

I believe that THIS is the definitive answer.
 
Kimikimidoll said:
Everyone is the Poo-Ba here :p

See, I take is as a to-know basis. You're right, you can be anywhere from 15-21 in high school (early starter, grade repeater) and in the same vein, you can be 17 and be in a university. You don't have to specify your age. The settings assume the age (working/college/driving/living alone).

Just don't put someone who is blatantly underage into the situation.
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So you think it's okay if I say that they are in high school but I don't specify the ages?
 
Nezhul said:
So you think it's okay if I say that they are in high school but I don't specify the ages?
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It's not OK. It enters disputed territory. Once you mention high school you are getting close to the limit.

If you set it in high school you should make it clear that they are NOT under 18. Past rejections have included for physical descriptions that suggest a younger age. A bald statement that the characters are over 18 isn't enough if the reader could assume the characters are younger.

The obvious question is: Why is the story set in high school?

The usual answer is that the author is trying to wriggle around Lit's age lmit.

Why couldn't the setting be somewhere else? If it HAS to be high school then the story risks rejection.
 
Actually it's because the characters need to be classmates (not past but present) and at least one of them needs to live with parents still.
Yes, they could be groupmates in college, but I guess it's very rare to live with your parents when you go to college. Because most of the time you move out to go to it.:confused:
 
Nezhul said:
Actually it's because the characters need to be classmates (not past but present) and at least one of them needs to live with parents still.
Yes, they could be groupmates in college, but I guess it's very rare to live with your parents when you go to college. Because most of the time you move out to go to it.:confused:
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In the UK it wouldn't be unusual for at least one university student to be living with parents. Because of the high cost of rented housing many young people don't leave their parents' home until their late 20s or early 30s - if at all.

But in the UK college (not university or a university college) can mean sixth form college i.e. students aged 16-18 so the later years of Senior High.

University students in the UK used to go to a university away from their home town but it is getting more popular to live at home and go to the closest. The difference in cost is massive. Going away could lead to crippling debt.
 
Nezhul said:
Actually it's because the characters need to be classmates (not past but present) and at least one of them needs to live with parents still.
Yes, they could be groupmates in college, but I guess it's very rare to live with your parents when you go to college. Because most of the time you move out to go to it.:confused:
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College would then be a safe setting. One of their parents can be living around the university, and it's not as rare as you think (or that just because they live with their parents doesn't mean they are sheltered.)

In answer to the previous question, I have another one: I'm assuming you want high school because you want them to be young, but why do they have to be young? Is it important to the plot? Or are you trying to play up an aspect of the character (innocent etc)
 
Kimikimidoll said:
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In answer to the previous question, I have another one: I'm assuming you want high school because you want them to be young, but why do they have to be young? Is it important to the plot? Or are you trying to play up an aspect of the character (innocent etc)
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Yes that's it. Basically one of the characters finds out that another one is leading a very kinky and active sexual life - the kind that noone around could have expected from her. That's why I wanted to get them as young as possible. Its not really shocking to find out that someone past 20 lives an active sex life, but its kinda startling when someone is still in high school.

And yes I know that some are off their rails way before 18 - doesn't matter. High school adds that degree of excitement and something forbidden. College - not so much. I can work with it, but in my mind highschool would be perfect.:eek:
 
Nezhul said:
Yes that's it. Basically one of the characters finds out that another one is leading a very kinky and active sexual life - the kind that noone around could have expected from her. That's why I wanted to get them as young as possible. Its not really shocking to find out that someone past 20 lives an active sex life, but its kinda startling when someone is still in high school.

And yes I know that some are off their rails way before 18 - doesn't matter. High school adds that degree of excitement and something forbidden. College - not so much. I can work with it, but in my mind highschool would be perfect.:eek:
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Okay, that one can be 18 and still in high school (make them mention their birthday happened in the fall or something).

This is odd- you enter college at 20? This is odd to me.
Back in my first year we had an orientation class where they told you to write if you were a virgin or not (cross or tick, so we wouldn't even recognize the handwriting) on a small chit of paper and then drop it into a bowl. Then they counted it in front of us. There were waaaay more ticks (virgins) that we all thought. Then the people told us that that's normal, and they see it every year. It was just to make us not feel 'pressured' into having sex if we hadn't already, and if we did, that's okay too.
 
This is odd- you enter college at 20? This is odd to me.
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No no no! I didn't mean it like that. I was just referring to age - that when you are 20, then it'n nothing special if you have a blooming sex life. It has nothing to do with college.

Back in my first year we had an orientation class where they told you to write if you were a virgin or not (cross or tick, so we wouldn't even recognize the handwriting) on a small chit of paper and then drop it into a bowl. Then they counted it in front of us. There were waaaay more ticks (virgins) that we all thought. Then the people told us that that's normal, and they see it every year. It was just to make us not feel 'pressured' into having sex if we hadn't already, and if we did, that's okay too.
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That's an interesting story. And an interesting thing to consider (regarding my story). BTW I hope you don't mind if I include similar test in one of my stories in the future. it's a really neat way to create an atmosphere of inexperience, as well as hint a character's experience (or lack of it) without going into any details.:cattail:
 
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Nezhul said:
No no no! I didn't mean it like that. I was just referring to age - that when you are 20, then it'n nothing special if you have a blooming sex life. It has nothing to do with college.

That's an interesting story. And an interesting thing to consider (regarding my story). BTW I hope you don't mind if I include similar test in one of my stories in the future. it's a really neat way to create an atmosphere of inexperience, as well as hint a character's experience (or lack of it) without going into any details.:cattail:
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Sure, go ahead. Hope your main question got answered though!
 
Here in Oz kids usually turn 18 in their last year at high school, and are thus typically undergraduates aged 19 - 21. I lived in a co-ed college my three years at uni, and trust me, with many many inexperienced young men and women all together, lots of tales of young exploration there.

The advantage for Lit is you can write about adults.... Having said that, I've got a First Time story here, where I solved the problem by bumping ages from 17 to "two weeks after her 18th birthday."
 
The way around the rules is guilt by association. You can commit murder if you allude to something else that's well within the rules.

The idea isn't new. In 1947 Raymond Chandler/Philip Marloew got hold of some serious porn featuring a popular Hollywood star. He takes the photos to the stars agents who remarks, I HAVENT SEEN THAT SORT OF THING SINCE I WENT TO TIJUANA AS A YOUNG MARINE. Later, Philip Marlowe gives the photos to the girl and says, I THINK I'D RATHER USE A GUN TO GET INTO PICTURES, and she replies, IF ONLY IT WERE THAT SIMPLE.
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Standard boilerplate explanation

This is a privately owned site. All of Literotica is moderated by a single person, who goes by Laurel. She makes her livelihood from it and is an owner. All that gives her the unquestionable and unlimited right to set rules, and reject or subsequently delete any story, forum post or comment she thinks isn't in the site's best interest. She and she alone gets to decide what that means.

One of the biggest surprises people get on coming here as a writer, is the "18" rule. As the rule is written, no character in a story can be under 18 if they are exposed to sexual situations of any sort.

You are not the first person to ask about this rule. You probably aren't the first person in the last 30 days, which is why some replies you get from other authors may seem grumpy. We see these questions a lot.

The 18 rule, like everything else here, is interpreted and applied by Laurel, and she takes a conservative stance with this one - if she thinks a story is going to encourage people to think about sex with people under 18, she'll generally reject it. That means that it's not enough to state your character is 18+. He or she has to act 18+ as well. In Laurel's opinion, not yours.

Note that this rule isn't in place because of any existing laws. (There are few if any countries where a written story describing sex between seventeen years olds is illegal.) The argument "but the law says it's legal!" is meaningless here. This is Laurel's site, it’s her personal property, and she's not required to accept stories just because the law doesn't forbid them. This is not a free speech issue because private properties (like Literotica) are not required to honor anyone’s free speech laws. (The internet in general is not a haven for free speech - someone owns those servers you are using, whatever site you go to, and that gives them the right to filter content they don't like. The rules are just more pronounced here than you may be used to.)

Note that the rule has nothing to do with pedophilia. Pedophilia is an interest in pre-pubescent children, formally defined as age 12 and younger. The under 18 rule is in response to different concerns - but it should be trivially apparent that an actual pedophilia story is beyond unacceptable here. Don’t even attempt to post one.

Evidence suggests Laurel is firm, but reasonably even-handed, in implementing her interpretation of her "18" rule. If you're here because the story was rejected, you probably weren't singled out and you're definitely not alone. Rewrite your story until it passes muster. Or take it to a site without such rules. Those are your only options.

Because the interpretation of the rule is not negotiable, it’s important to write carefully in certain settings:

1. Characters in High school. Some authors here feel strongly that any mention of high school is an attempt to imply to the readership that your "18 year old" is really younger, in short that you're speaking in a kind of code and attempting to get people to think about underage characters. Be careful to be very clear about ages in these stories. Some high school seniors are 18 by graduation. Leave those sophomores alone.

2. Characters described as having physical characteristics that sound more like 14 than 18. Slight breasts on someone just turned 18, a beard just starting to come in, excessively juvenile behavior - all these are going to look to many people like you're attempting to sneak an underage character in, and are very likely to get a story rejected.

3. Historical setting for stories. Romeo and Juliet is probably not what you'd consider racy filth; but Juliet lost her virginity at fourteen. That story would certainly be rejected here. It has a fine moral message, it was startling but not shocking when it was written, and it's clearly a well crafted story, but none of that matters. All that matters is by Laurel’s rules, it’s an underage story.

4. Incest stories. In the real world, incest is almost always tied to underage sexuality and is abusive by definition. Despite the fact that the site has an Incest category, stories in that category should never depict incest as it most commonly occurs in the real world.

5. Fantasy stories. The story “The Time Machine” by H. G. Wells had Eloi, a race of innocents; a fanfic based on it with any sexual content would likely be rejected here. I had a story about a 6,000 year old succubus (i.e., not underage and not human) rejected because in human form, she didn’t sound convincingly 18 to Laurel. Don’t assume you’re on safe ground with human-like species or alien cultures.

6. First time stories. Statistically speaking, in the US at least, you probably lost your virginity at an age younger than 18. (That is, just over 50% of men and women in the US who are sexually active, lost their virginity at 17 or earlier, as of 2010). If you write your first time account here, you must write it so all characters involved are explicitly past their 18th birthday.
When in doubt, check with Laurel first, via a Private Message (PM).

Please note that occasionally an underage story gets past Laurel, and gets posted. If you see one, report it using the [!] reporting mechanism at the bottom of most pages. Finding such stories doesn't give you permission to write under 18. It gives you an obligation to report it, so people don't get confused about the rules.

Please do NOT respond to this post with complaints, Whys, What Ifs, etc.. This post has covered everything you need to understand. This topic is considered dead by all long-time members; it’s been examined from every possible angle; and Laurel has shown absolutely no inclination to soften her stance. Sincere questions can be sent directly to Laurel; the rest of us (whether or not we agree with the rule’s implementation) don’t want this topic argued here. You will be Ignored and perhaps Banned if you insist on talking about this.

Good luck, and welcome to Literotica.
 
HandsInTheDark said:
This is a privately owned site. All of Literotica is moderated by a single person, who goes by Laurel. She makes her livelihood from it and is an owner. All that gives her the unquestionable and unlimited right to set rules, and reject or subsequently delete any story, forum post or comment she thinks isn't in the site's best interest. She and she alone gets to decide what that means.

One of the biggest surprises people get on coming here as a writer, is the "18" rule. As the rule is written, no character in a story can be under 18 if they are exposed to sexual situations of any sort.

You are not the first person to ask about this rule. You probably aren't the first person in the last 30 days, which is why some replies you get from other authors may seem grumpy. We see these questions a lot.

The 18 rule, like everything else here, is interpreted and applied by Laurel, and she takes a conservative stance with this one - if she thinks a story is going to encourage people to think about sex with people under 18, she'll generally reject it. That means that it's not enough to state your character is 18+. He or she has to act 18+ as well. In Laurel's opinion, not yours.

Note that this rule isn't in place because of any existing laws. (There are few if any countries where a written story describing sex between seventeen years olds is illegal.) The argument "but the law says it's legal!" is meaningless here. This is Laurel's site, it’s her personal property, and she's not required to accept stories just because the law doesn't forbid them. This is not a free speech issue because private properties (like Literotica) are not required to honor anyone’s free speech laws. (The internet in general is not a haven for free speech - someone owns those servers you are using, whatever site you go to, and that gives them the right to filter content they don't like. The rules are just more pronounced here than you may be used to.)

Note that the rule has nothing to do with pedophilia. Pedophilia is an interest in pre-pubescent children, formally defined as age 12 and younger. The under 18 rule is in response to different concerns - but it should be trivially apparent that an actual pedophilia story is beyond unacceptable here. Don’t even attempt to post one.

Evidence suggests Laurel is firm, but reasonably even-handed, in implementing her interpretation of her "18" rule. If you're here because the story was rejected, you probably weren't singled out and you're definitely not alone. Rewrite your story until it passes muster. Or take it to a site without such rules. Those are your only options.

Because the interpretation of the rule is not negotiable, it’s important to write carefully in certain settings:

1. Characters in High school. Some authors here feel strongly that any mention of high school is an attempt to imply to the readership that your "18 year old" is really younger, in short that you're speaking in a kind of code and attempting to get people to think about underage characters. Be careful to be very clear about ages in these stories. Some high school seniors are 18 by graduation. Leave those sophomores alone.

2. Characters described as having physical characteristics that sound more like 14 than 18. Slight breasts on someone just turned 18, a beard just starting to come in, excessively juvenile behavior - all these are going to look to many people like you're attempting to sneak an underage character in, and are very likely to get a story rejected.

3. Historical setting for stories. Romeo and Juliet is probably not what you'd consider racy filth; but Juliet lost her virginity at fourteen. That story would certainly be rejected here. It has a fine moral message, it was startling but not shocking when it was written, and it's clearly a well crafted story, but none of that matters. All that matters is by Laurel’s rules, it’s an underage story.

4. Incest stories. In the real world, incest is almost always tied to underage sexuality and is abusive by definition. Despite the fact that the site has an Incest category, stories in that category should never depict incest as it most commonly occurs in the real world.

5. Fantasy stories. The story “The Time Machine” by H. G. Wells had Eloi, a race of innocents; a fanfic based on it with any sexual content would likely be rejected here. I had a story about a 6,000 year old succubus (i.e., not underage and not human) rejected because in human form, she didn’t sound convincingly 18 to Laurel. Don’t assume you’re on safe ground with human-like species or alien cultures.

6. First time stories. Statistically speaking, in the US at least, you probably lost your virginity at an age younger than 18. (That is, just over 50% of men and women in the US who are sexually active, lost their virginity at 17 or earlier, as of 2010). If you write your first time account here, you must write it so all characters involved are explicitly past their 18th birthday.
When in doubt, check with Laurel first, via a Private Message (PM).

Please note that occasionally an underage story gets past Laurel, and gets posted. If you see one, report it using the [!] reporting mechanism at the bottom of most pages. Finding such stories doesn't give you permission to write under 18. It gives you an obligation to report it, so people don't get confused about the rules.

Please do NOT respond to this post with complaints, Whys, What Ifs, etc.. This post has covered everything you need to understand. This topic is considered dead by all long-time members; it’s been examined from every possible angle; and Laurel has shown absolutely no inclination to soften her stance. Sincere questions can be sent directly to Laurel; the rest of us (whether or not we agree with the rule’s implementation) don’t want this topic argued here. You will be Ignored and perhaps Banned if you insist on talking about this.

Good luck, and welcome to Literotica.
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Well said.
I think it should be set in a frame and put at the top of the list. (maybe a sticky?)

I can think of only one thing to add.
There have been cases of the 'wider reaction' not being quite the wrong thing: Power of the press, social media, etc..
Assume that Firm A does something legal but unpopular in certain quarters.
So the public gets encouraged by the 'opposition' to withdraw it's funds from Firm A's Bank or some similar policy.
Firm A ain't going to like it and may very well cease and desist their practices.
The opposition has Won!
This happened in the UK a few years ago; at National level.
One can only imagine such sanctions as Laurel may suffer.
It's easier to simply 'not upset' the neighbours, eh?


Originally Posted by oggbashan
The obvious question is: Why is the story set in high school?
The usual answer is that the author is trying to wriggle around Lit's age limit.

Hard_Rom said:
This^^^^^
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Concave said:
There are numerous stories that contain solo climax and voyeuristic imagery, is the line between two people?

https://www.literotica.com/s/beyond-the-borderline is a highly rated one that appears to cross the boundary if age is the only criterion.
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I'm not aware of any exemption for solo stories. Reading the first page of that story, I'd guess that it slipped through moderation by mistake. It talks about the narrator's growth until "the time I graduated from high school" (which would usually put it over the line) but then goes back to his early teens with a sexually explicit solo/voyeur moment.

Laurel's said that she usually skims stories rather than reading through every detail, so perhaps she missed that the story had gone back in time to before the narrator's adulthood.
 
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