Is incest really taboo?

I know a lot of people think or consider incest to be taboo, is there anyone out there that still does it?
I’ve experienced with some family members...

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In Nebraska, a daughter & father got married ( about a month ago )… they were arrested with felony charges... so in some parts of the country its more then taboo ….

Is this really a "How To" topic?

Derekjason said:

I know a lot of people think or consider incest to be taboo, is there anyone out there that still does it?
I’ve experienced with some family members...

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Should be in some other forum, say Fetish & Sexuality or General Board...

The laws of most countries (but by no means all) consider incest a serious crime. The definition of incest varies widely, of course.

As to how prevelant it is, it's hard to find solid data. Therre's an interesting discussion at https://www.psychforums.com/paraphilias/topic155232.html which suggests that it is far more common in our society that one might initially believe (think millions in the USA). You can of course take that with however many grains of salt you wish.

Hmmm

Are they both adults and agree to it?

tasteyourthighs said:

Are they both adults and agree to it?

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Depends on where you are and what degree of consanguinity we're talking about.

Lets assume brother and sister, both adults, both consenting... In Canada, New Zealand or Sweden, both are liable for some serious jail time. In Spain or Japan, apparently they would face no restrictions whatever.

TarnishedPenny said:

Depends on where you are and what degree of consanguinity we're talking about.

Lets assume brother and sister, both adults, both consenting... In Canada, New Zealand or Sweden, both are liable for some serious jail time. In Spain or Japan, apparently they would face no restrictions whatever.

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I heard that!

derekjackson queried:
is incest really taboo?

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yes it is, and if you have to ask, you need to spend less time on lit and more time talking with other people.

incest is a taboo across almost every human civilization that's ever been.

It's beyond taboo. It's usually illegal.

unfortunately most cases of "incest" are actually in the end, what the legal profession calls "criminal sexual conduct", typically an older sibling holding down a younger sibling and committing unwanted sex crimes.

Finding an ACTUAL case of incest between consenting partners,,,, is like finding a partner that likes getting dirty sanchezed while playing the rusty trombone.

TarnishedPenny said:

Depends on where you are and what degree of consanguinity we're talking about.

Lets assume brother and sister, both adults, both consenting... In Canada, New Zealand or Sweden, both are liable for some serious jail time. In Spain or Japan, apparently they would face no restrictions whatever.

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This topic came up in another thread, where I learned to my surprise that there are plenty of incest laws on the books, and they vary widely from country to country and from state to state. But I made the point there that as long as the relationship was between adults and was totally consensual, the laws rarely get enforced, at least in the US. There's just not much motivation to prosecute, and too difficult to obtain convictions on the basis of the evidence they can collect.

I hope that, for the main part, these laws will eventually go the way of anti-sodomy and anti-gay laws, or the ones that say you can't tie your horse to a parking meter. But incestuous rape, including statutory rape, will still be verboten. Right now, some states are still trying to wrap their heads around the concept that forced sex between married people is rape, so I'm not holding my breath.

I've a vivid essay on the subject: What Is Incest?

LIT fantasyland incest is consensual and adult. IRL incest is almost always rape and underage. Some sexual combos in various places are illegal with varying degrees of biology (blood kin) or association (step-kin, etc). Some are common (cousins and uncles/aunts in much of the world) or obligatory (royal siblings). Some are socially taboo but still legal.

Incest is a shifty term. Taboo is too. All sorts of shit is taboo in most cultures -- foods, places, tools, words, yada yada. Tabu means "consecrated, inviolable, forbidden, unclean or cursed." Taboos exist because their targets are too attractive; society feels better when they're forbidden. Incest, rape, mayhem, murder, theft -- destructive and common.

Is incest really taboo? That depends on who, where, and when. Fuck a clone.

The origins of the "taboo" basically came from at least some ancient people realizing that inbreeding can cause various mental and physical defects. Yet, in some cultures, like in Egypt, incest, among the royal families was the norm. It's probably why there were some deformities and other issues associated with the Pharaohs.

The "taboo" carried forth for many years until perhaps modern birth control made it moot. Although many/most religions consider it taboo and many societies consider it illegal, I'd say that if it were purely for the sake of erotic pleasure and not reproduction, the taboos against inter-familial adult consensual sex could be lifted.

I tend to think that incest is more common than many people want to believe particularly between siblings, cousins, aunts or uncles, etc. Parent to child seems to be the most odious. It's never spoken of because of the stigma associated with it. There is also the issue of sex with minors that is indeed a problem because of the non-consensual aspect of it. I'd say that sex purely for fun and pleasure with no potential of pregnancy between consenting adults in the same family could be made a bit more lenient.

Siblings, it's natural, that's WHY the taboo exists

Google 'Royal Intermarrage,' in every culture from the ancient middle east to the fall of most monarchies a hundred or so years ago practiced it as a means of concentrating and holding power and wealth. Africa, the Americas, Asia, especially Europe. Maybe even Antarctica among the Emperor Penguins.

Doing the math my big brother has been inside of me 15,000 or so times in the last 40 years, most recently about five hours ago. I wish everyone was as happy as I am. JMO you never hear about good healthy relationships between siblings because it is frowned upon and or legally proscribed.

Think about it logically, if a parent or parents teach two children of a similar maturity level, and girls mature faster, that "this" is how an ideal mate/lover acts in relation to the other, if they teach thier children to platonically love, support and care for each other. Well if the children listened to thier parents and took thier teachings to heart. Those parents just (unwittingly) created the ideal life partner for each.

Every Christian and every Jew traces his or her ancestry to Isaac whose father was his uncle and whose mother was his aunt (Abraham Sarah and Laban's father were siblings). Issac whose son married two sisters who were Laban's daughters. Isaac "the father of nations." Like the bible says: Marriage is between one man and one woman, who is his cousin, and her handmaid, and the first wife's younger sister, also a cousin, and that sister's handmaid.

I am 60ish, I personally know of a dozen couplings besides my own IRL between siblings, small sample size but statistically they are far longer lasting and more stable than within the general population.

I would be surprised if it wasn't more prevalent. How do you know that Mr. and Mrs. Kinney who just moved in next door aren't brother and sister? You hear about the bad. In the news "if it bleeds it leads." But any relationship can be abusive and or explotive. You can get salmanilla poisoning at any restaurant not just in your own kitchen. In fact your kitchen is probably safer. A sibling you have known and loved as a brother or sister for more than a decade before coupling (how many people date 18 years before fucking) is likley a safer bet than someone you met at a fraternity-sorrority mixer.

Genetics is a real issue. Probably the cause of my only reservation, my only pangs. I would have loved to have known that the child growing inside of me was my brother's, but that would not gave been smart. By brother helped and was there, but my children were fathered by a wonderful man whom I feel that I slight when I say I wish it was different.

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

CuteSlaveLisa said:

Doing the math my hig brother has been inside of me 15,000 or so times in the last 40 years.

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Holy crap. 300 acts of intercourse a year over 40 years doesn't get you to 15,000. That's a lot of fucking. My hat's off to you. Or something. You must have a lot of stories to tell. Seeing as how popular it is here, you have to get cracking on writing more.

CuteSlaveLisa said:

I would be surprised if it wasn't more prevalent. How do you know that Mr. and Mrs. Kinney who just moved in next door aren't brother and sister? You hear about the bad. In the news "if it bleeds it leads." But any relationship can be abusive and or explotive. You can get salmanilla poisoning at any restaurant not just in your own kitchen. In fact your kitchen is probably safer. A sibling you have known and loved as a brother or sister for more than a decade before coupling (how many people date 18 years before fucking) is likley a safer bet than someone you met at a fraternity-sorrority mixer.

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

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I wouldn't be surprised if you are right that incest involving consenting adults -- probably sibling-sibling most of the time rather than parent-child -- is more common than most people want to admit. And that's proof of the existence of the taboo -- people do it but they don't want to admit they do it.

In most states in the United States consensual incest between adult siblings or adult parents and children is still, I believe, illegal. That seems silly to me -- consenting adults should be able to have sex with one another, IMO. But however much it happens, the taboo is still there, it's still strong, and it's an important and delicious element of these stories.

According to my calculator (365×41=14,965)+10=14,975. It's a guess, there have been days when life intervened, but to balance that there are days like this beautiful Saturday morning which count "3" in my book if you know what I mean.

The Tableau That is Lisa is a lightly expunged autobiography. Amarillo by Morning is my informed guess about my parents relationship. Leisure City, the first Jameson story and Mom It's Your Fault (Dad's Too) are fiction based on an imagined confession to/ discovery of our relationship by our parents The family Frizz is fiction melding my parents relationship and mine although that never occurred IRL.

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

CuteSlaveLisa said:

According to my calculator (365×41=14,965)+10=14,975. It's a guess, there have been days when life intervened, but to balance that there are days like this beautiful Saturday morning which count "3" in my book if you know what I mean.

The Tableau That is Lisa is a lightly expunged autobiography. Amarillo by Morning is my informed guess about my parents relationship. Leisure City, the first Jameson story and Mom It's Your Fault (Dad's Too) are fiction based on an imagined confession to/ discovery of our relationship by our parents The family Frizz is fiction melding my parents relationship and mine although that never occurred IRL.

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

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OK, then. I have some story checking-out to do.

CuteSlaveLisa said:

I would be surprised if it wasn't more prevalent. How do you know that Mr. and Mrs. Kinney who just moved in next door aren't brother and sister? You hear about the bad. In the news "if it bleeds it leads." But any relationship can be abusive and or explotive.

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I think that's the point that Jehoram was making. As long as the behaviour wasn't egregious enough to attract attention, it's not likely to get prosecuted.

And I agree with those who say that consensual non-reproductive sex among adults should be decriminalized. There are plenty of "taboos" that aren't illegal ... think dietary laws in religion ... but making them illegal puts us in danger of breaching the wall between church and state, and of intrusion into people's personal lives. What was taboo even a few hundred years ago wouldn't cause most people in the western world to bat an eye.

Athalia said:

I think that's the point that Jehoram was making. As long as the behaviour wasn't egregious enough to attract attention, it's not likely to get prosecuted.

And I agree with those who say that consensual non-reproductive sex among adults should be decriminalized. There are plenty of "taboos" that aren't illegal ... think dietary laws in religion ... but making them illegal puts us in danger of breaching the wall between church and state, and of intrusion into people's personal lives. What was taboo even a few hundred years ago wouldn't cause most people in the western world to bat an eye.

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With all due respect, I am going to take your position and try to move it one over. Saturday night I had my 'face in the place' of a twice ordained Christian Minister. She has 42 Bibles on our shelf (I counted) and about 200 (I estimated) commentaries, translations and criticisms of same. I met her when I was in first and she was in second grade, her father was a minister (the Pastor in my lightly expunged autobiography 'The Tableau That is Lisa' in the (sibling) incest/taboo section) we were geeky little girls who devoured his library. FSA I am 60 In 40+ years ZERO people have been able to tell me precicely where my pussy-eating or receipt of same is scriptually proscribed. People who don't like XYZ claim scripture proscribes XYZ without citation or with flawed citation daily.

PS if you consider yourself a Christian you trace your ancestry through multiple Brother-Sister and Cousin unions. And if you read past Genesis (the first book) 2.28, you find EIGHT forms of marriage authorized. Nine if you infer the woman having a choice as her father had the final say in the original text. Most folks quoting scripture IMHO only read half of the jacket notes.

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

I think I am tiring of writing semi-believable incest puzzles. No, I've not explored every combination, but I'm running out of coherent excuses for strokers. Plots I have in mind would go satirical or utterly fantastic, like a clean (non-cannibalistic) Sawney Bean-type family, with everyone fucking everyone in remote privacy.

Could the taboo go extinct? Sure. Incest rules are historical relics, but the past was a different world, and so will be the future. My nation is led by a taboo-normalizing guy who said (on national radio) he wanted to fuck his underage daughter. Let's extrapolate: in a few years, many prominent faces will announce an intention or history of fucking their close kin. Co-habiting twins, or loving mom and son, for prez and vice-prez? Why not?

Re: Hypoxia,

On the lighter side take the story line of 'Gilligan's Island' but it's a family. Mom and Dad (the Howells) and adult siblings, three brothers and two sisters, or vice versa JMO odd numbers work best. What happens once they realize nobody is looking for them and the island is thier permanent home.

Look at a book on Queen Victoria, she was a huge matchmaker using her influence to try and unite all of the Royalty of Europe. Lots of incestuous pairings there. Silly her she thought it would lead to stability. But her grandsons the British Emperor and King, the Russian Tsar, the German Kaiser together with thier other cousins who were the emperors, kings, queens of Austria, Hungary, Italy, Greece, Belgium and even the Ottoman Sultan caused one of history's greatest bloodlettings. One big unhappy family.

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

CuteSlaveLisa said:

FSA I am 60 In 40+ years ZERO people have been able to tell me precicely where my pussy-eating or receipt of same is scriptually proscribed. People who don't like XYZ claim scripture proscribes XYZ without citation or with flawed citation daily.

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Well, Lesbian love has often been put in a different category from gay male love. (Wasn't it Queen Victoria that didn't see the need for outlawing Lesbian sex because she couldn't conceive of such a thing even existing?)

But even if it's not a crime, and even if it isn't banned by scripture, there still seems to be a taboo about Lesbian love, at least in the eyes of some moralists. Otherwise, why would there have been such an outcry when Ellen DeGeneres or Ellen Page or (fill in the blank) came out?

jehoram said:

Well, Lesbian love has often been put in a different category from gay male love. (Wasn't it Queen Victoria that didn't see the need for outlawing Lesbian sex because she couldn't conceive of such a thing even existing?)

But even if it's not a crime, and even if it isn't banned by scripture, there still seems to be a taboo about Lesbian love, at least in the eyes of some moralists. Otherwise, why would there have been such an outcry when Ellen DeGeneres or Ellen Page or (fill in the blank) came out?

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I realize that many people don't like certain things. I don't like Okra, but I don't tell you that you should not partake of it. If you're an adult and you aren't hurting anyone else, it's not really my business is it.

If someone has the opinion of buggery, fellatio or cunnilingus that I have of, ewww I can hardly bring myself to say it it's so DISGUSTING, eating a slimy green vegetable, then they should IMHO "just say no" like Nancy (Reagan) said.

Mom did not approve of wearing white after Labor Day or hats indoors, but she didn't BS us and say that it was a sin. (Well unless you belong to the Newport Yaucht Club and or have deified Emily Post.) ;-)

Love and Kisses

Lisa Ann

Everyone has an opinion about something for sure, sexuality is not exempt from it.

Yes it is taboo and illegal and disgusting. In porn I don’t care how people get their jollies but if it’s in real life then it’s sick.