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We need to have an honest discussion on race

The_Trouvere said:
Those who call for "an honest discussion on race" are prone to suppress it as soon as whites begin to express opinions they dislike.

I want there to be an honest discussion on race. I want scientists to be able to explain what they have learned about racial differences and the genetic reasons for those differences. I want everyone to be able to explain how they really feel about people of different races, and why they really feel that way.

I think the races are intrinsically unequal in characteristics that enable them to make valuable contributions to modern civilization and an economy which is going to become increasingly computer driven and complex. Differences between the races overlap, but average differences are obvious and durable in ways that strongly indicate genetic origins.
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What a load of crap

You want to present debunked pseudo science as evidence.. you present stats that when actually examined actually poke holes in your theories

you and honesty about race are complete strangers
 
RjThoughts said:
http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/04/23/native-actors-walk-set-adam-sandler-movie-after-insults-women-elders-160110
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Thanks. Okay having seen that those actors certainly didn't need to look any more First Nation, Indian what not. Having read the article it seems like a LOT of the complaints were about a movie that they felt was in general disrespectful to their culture and peoples. Which is a legit complaint. I'm curious how much they were lied to vs weren't listening however. I mean how historically accurate did you expect an Adam Sandler film to be in the first place? When you're complaints are things like it looks like it drew primarily from a different tribe you're kinda nitpicking here. Should we really start digging through other movies for shit like that?

That said he was definitely wrong for that.

dan_c00000 said:
He should apologize for restarting the awful Project Greenlight at some point as well.
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I haven't seen PG is it really that bad?
 
The thing that bugs me about people saying "an honest discussion on race" is that they are using the wrong word. What they want is an honest discussion on racism.
 
Liar said:
The thing that bugs me about people saying "an honest discussion on race" is that they are using the wrong word. What they want is an honest discussion on racism.
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Might I suggest a slight alteration? What they really want is affirmation of their racism.
 
badbabysitter said:
What a load of crap

You want to present debunked pseudo science as evidence.. you present stats that when actually examined actually poke holes in your theories

you and honesty about race are complete strangers
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I am ruthlessly honest, because I think the truth matters even when the truth hurts. Everywhere in the world blacks are characterized by stupidity and crime. Characteristics this omnipresent are almost certainly genetically caused.

Nowhere on earth is there a viable black majority country.

In the United States black neighborhoods are nearly always asphalt jungles. Black public schools are nearly always black board jungles.
 
Liar said:
The thing that bugs me about people saying "an honest discussion on race" is that they are using the wrong word. What they want is an honest discussion on racism.
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They claim that white racism is the cause of black social pathology. Actually, black social pathology is the cause of white racism.
 
badbabysitter said:
crime is down across the board
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In 1960 the total crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants was 1,887.2.

In 2013 the total crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants was 3,350.4.

In 1960 the violent crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants was 160.9.

In 2013 the violent crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants was 404.5.

From 1960 to 1980 the crime rate tripled. Since then it has declined, because the prison population has tripled.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

http://www.jacksonprogressive.com/issues/lawenforcement/punishment.pdf
 
badbabysitter said:
there are no such as illegitmate children grampa
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Most black children are illegitimate because most black men would rather be "a sex machine with all the chicks" than a responsible father. Black men have legions of little black bastards that they expect white folks to support on welfare.
 
KUJACK said:
We have a black president, Black culture is most popular, rap music and dance, sports stars 90% black, Oprah Winfrey most respected celebrity, Denzel Washington most respected actor, Ben Carson most respected surgeon.
Black crime mostly done by other blacks, but whites are blamed.
Are these facts not true?
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They are indeed true. Unfortunately whites are afraid to mention them for fear of being called racist.
 
PoppingTom said:
Civilization means emancipation from nature. It has nothing to do with race, more with choice. Even animals are able to behave civilized.

If your dog isn't house-trained, don't blame the race!
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Modern civilization requires the willingness to obey the law. It also requires the intelligence to learn complex job skills. These inclinations are more frequently found in some races than in others. They are more commonly found in races that have practiced civilization for several thousand years than races that were only introduced to civilization several centuries ago.
 
Sean Renaud said:
It's a complicated issue but we can break down a lot of it. The war on drugs has torn black families and black communities apart. The adjustment to welfare hasn't been kind to them either. I'm not privy to the information on illigitimacy rates and I'm not finding remotely accurate (consistent across multiple sources) numbers right now but I'll get back to that. Given how short changed the schools are I wouldn't expect much increase in academic peformance (assuming that's not something else you made up.
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I have read, and I believe, that whites and blacks are equally likely to use illegal drugs, but that blacks are more likely to be sent to prison for illegal drug use.

This has probably contributed to the decline in violent crime. Most violent crimes are unsolved. Many are unreported. Blacks have a rate of violent crime that is about eight times the white rate.

Anything that puts more young black men into prison will reduce the crime rate. Most of the black "non violent drug offenders" in prison are guilty of violent crimes they were never apprehended for.
 
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Sean Renaud said:
A lot of black problems are caused by white racism and none of them are genetic.
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Keep saying that, and you might convince yourself. You will never convince anyone whose opinions are determined by hard, cold facts that can be documented.
 
Sean Renaud said:
The only honest discussion to have about Murray is that his methods are flawed, hell even his logic doesn't really hold together. Half the population is below average intelligence. :rolleyes: That doesn't actually mean half the population is stupid or even uneducated merely below average. If I have a room with say Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Elon Musk, Isaac Newton, Niel DeGrass Tyson and Carl Sagan guess what? Half the people in that room are below average intelligence.

His statements on minorities are mirrored in his statements on women. You can't expect people who aren't given the same resources to accomplish the same things.
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Although the SAT is not an IQ test, it correlates strongly with IQ. Since the school year of 1986 - 87 the race gap in SAT scores between whites and blacks has grown slightly.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171

The failure of No Child Left Behind to close the race gap provides more evidence of assertions made in The Bell Curve.
 
The Bell Curve is however utter nonsense and we all know it.

No Child Left Behind is only proof that bad programs don't work. Honestly anybody who thought the best way to get teachers to do a better job was to remove their funding if they fail to meet standards was outright insane.
 
Sean Renaud said:
The Bell Curve is however utter nonsense and we all know it.

No Child Left Behind is only proof that bad programs don't work. Honestly anybody who thought the best way to get teachers to do a better job was to remove their funding if they fail to meet standards was outright insane.
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The Bell Curve documents what should be obvious to everyone: intelligence is important; it is largely determined genetically; average intelligence differs between the races.

Those who choose not to acknowledge the intrinsic inferiority of the Negro race can criticize No Child Left Behind. What they cannot do is point to any program that has ever closed the race gap.
 
Here's the thing. We know inteligence isn't genetic, no evidence has suggested that it is or even that there is enough difference between any two humans for such a difference to be measurable.

NCLB is just a bad program over all. As for the gap I'd love to even see where this data comes from.
 
Sean Renaud said:
Here's the thing. We know inteligence isn't genetic, no evidence has suggested that it is or even that there is enough difference between any two humans for such a difference to be measurable.

NCLB is just a bad program over all. As for the gap I'd love to even see where this data comes from.
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How smart you are doesn’t depend on how your parents raised you, a new study concludes.

Their reading to you, talking with you at the dinner table and taking an active interest in your life could make you happy. And that’s important. But it won’t make you smarter, says Kevin Beaver.

As a criminologist,he studies the causes of crime and ways to prevent it. Beaver works at Florida State University in Tallahassee. His research team wanted to know if different parenting styles influenced a child’s intelligence. After all, Beaver notes, “intelligence has been linked to crime.”...

Beaver’s group was especially interested in results from a group of about 220 students who had been adopted. The parents who raised them had not passed on any genes to them. So if there was a link between the students’ IQs and the way their parents raised them, the researchers should see it most clearly in the adopted students’ scores.

But no such link emerged. Whether students reported their parents cared about them and did things with them — or reported that they did not — it had no impact on the their IQ. This means a person’s IQ is largely the result of the genes we inherit from our biological parents.
https://student.societyforscience.org/article/iq-genes
 
All intelligence is, is the aptitude to make sense of things.

I explain it like this:

Start with a human female. What does the average black male think she is? Pussy. The average Mexican thinks she's maid service and a cook. Most white males see a paycheck and a mom. No sane male see's astronaut or engineer or President.
 
The_Trouvere said:
How smart you are doesn’t depend on how your parents raised you, a new study concludes.

Their reading to you, talking with you at the dinner table and taking an active interest in your life could make you happy. And that’s important. But it won’t make you smarter, says Kevin Beaver.

As a criminologist,he studies the causes of crime and ways to prevent it. Beaver works at Florida State University in Tallahassee. His research team wanted to know if different parenting styles influenced a child’s intelligence. After all, Beaver notes, “intelligence has been linked to crime.”...

Beaver’s group was especially interested in results from a group of about 220 students who had been adopted. The parents who raised them had not passed on any genes to them. So if there was a link between the students’ IQs and the way their parents raised them, the researchers should see it most clearly in the adopted students’ scores.

But no such link emerged. Whether students reported their parents cared about them and did things with them — or reported that they did not — it had no impact on the their IQ. This means a person’s IQ is largely the result of the genes we inherit from our biological parents.
https://student.societyforscience.org/article/iq-genes
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I highly agree sir. With out a long Diatribe. Parents grade 9 10 max. Two of three kids went on to decent lives (sexual fetishes aside) one went on to a life of crime, we all had the same Education, same parents, same upbringing for the most part. I think it depends on the person, if your 12 acting like a idiot through out school and retain nothing its on you not on anything else. if you were so cool you quit at 16 again on you. In the end you cant force teach knowledge it has to be sought out. Knowledge doesn't knock on your door and say hey I`m here!
 
The_Trouvere said:
The Bell Curve documents what should be obvious to everyone: intelligence is important; it is largely determined genetically; average intelligence differs between the races.
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The Bell Curve? Really? Where do I begin to start with that bullshit piece of work?

First, all the data in it was completely fabricated. The author knew this so he refused to submit any of his "data" to peer-reviewed journals.

Second, Murray's "scholars" were Nazi sympathizers, white supremacists, or eugenicists. We know this because the people he cites all received money from the Pioneer Fund.

I would suggest you read Charles Lane's review of the book. And then if you still believe what Murray claims...well then you're just a racist.
 
The_Trouvere said:
Most black children are illegitimate because most black men would rather be "a sex machine with all the chicks" than a responsible father. Black men have legions of little black bastards that they expect white folks to support on welfare.
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First off, Blacks vs Whites vary. Theres a trail of little white bastards now a days, because little white kids want to be cool and sleep with everyone, don't matter this generation 12-16 is now openly giving head as if it was a hand shake, sex is as simple as a hello. seen it first hand. Once the Rap culture took over north America, which I laugh at all the time, Hey Black guys do you know what wearing pants around your ass means? Your ready, willing and able to service the rest of the Cell Block!. Oh and those way over sized pants.... those came from Asians Not blacks!.. Biggest issue in North America today is not black men, they for the most part have been seeing the light, understanding selling crack for two years and jail for 25 isn't worth it, they are learning that earning legit is a lot better. the middle eastern scum, that lie their way into the country and then suck its resources dry while sending most of it back home to the war effort that's making me sick. Being forced to accept 25,000 Syrians that makes me sick! 500,000 immigrants a year because our lovely government felt 250,000 wasn't enough so lets double it. Hardly any jobs, a lot of people out of work, How about we start cleaning our own backyard before we go knocking on People across the globes door?. Why doesn't Syria, Iraq, Yemen, all ask Saudi who is right next door to help them? Because Saudi is all Oil rich and wouldn't give DIME 1 but we are expected to do so every time!.
 
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