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I'm not advocating for getting rid of it, I say honor the fighters.

We give them millions of dollars, big shiny prizes and huge drug fueled parties where they get to fuck super models n' shit....

What the fuck else should we do??:confused:

The most common thing to defend is a punch to the head. If we ban activities that require dealing with it, we may as well ban all martial arts. I don't think this is a good solution...

No shit.....so why did you bring it up?
 
We give them millions of dollars, big shiny prizes and huge drug fueled parties where they get to fuck super models n' shit....

What the fuck else should we do??:confused:

We give a very small number of fighters this. Many of their opponents don't have this. If the damage is real, it should be a cost of the business.



No shit.....so why did you bring it up?

The general gist of part of the conversation was exactly this, I was pointing out that it's not as simple as that. You say it's obvious, but obviously it's not to others arguing here. I agree with you(aside from how much you think most fighters make, mma fighters do not, on the whole, make as much as you think.)
 
We give a very small number of fighters this. Many of their opponents don't have this. If the damage is real, it should be a cost of the business.

A cost paid by the fighter.....not anyone else's debt and it's certainly not a public responsibility.

The general gist of part of the conversation was exactly this, I was pointing out that it's not as simple as that. You say it's obvious, but obviously it's not to others arguing here. I agree with you(aside from how much you think most fighters make, mma fighters do not, on the whole, make as much as you think.)

Obviously not everyone is a champion....this is no different from any other industry.

What about that makes it my responsibility to take care of a couple idiots who want to bash each others brains in for a chance at a payday?
 
A cost paid by the fighter.....not anyone else's debt and it's certainly not a public responsibility.



Obviously not everyone is a champion....this is no different from any other industry.

What about that makes it my responsibility to take care of a couple idiots who want to bash each others brains in for a chance at a payday?

Most pro-fighters are helping popularize a sport they love, precious few are banking on a payday. If they build the industry, the industry should find it in their best interests, especially considering how often it gets banned, to prevent public outcry and support the fighters who make the sport successful.

Leave them to their own, and you may face more bans and lose money in the long run.

As for your responsibility, unless you are owner of a full contact venue, et al, it isn't.
 
So you were full of shit when you first started this thread of discussion (not the forum thread) and nothing needs to be done at all.....right? :confused:

You are apparently unfamiliar with the idea of playing the devil's advocate, which I was originally and obviously doing. I would raise the issue of bans and brain injury, and then point out why neither was a good idea. Pretty much every time.
 
You are apparently unfamiliar with the idea of playing the devil's advocate, which I was originally and obviously doing. I would raise the issue of bans and brain injury, and then point out why neither was a good idea. Pretty much every time.

Nah....didn't seem that obvious. Seemed more like a person really confused about what exactly the fuck they were talking about.


Meh...*shrug*....so is it true you beat up on women?
 
Nah....didn't seem that obvious. Seemed more like a person really confused about what exactly the fuck they were talking about.

Every one of my posts was A) Arguments for banning fights, followed by B) Why that shouldn't happen or alternatives to banning. I feel it's pretty obvious after reading over the statements. Almost all of the points are routine points that come up in relation to this topic in fight sports and martial arts, on an mma board, everyone would have understood, maybe my error in assuming this is the same.
 
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Every one of my posts was A) Arguments for banning fights, followed by B) Why they shouldn't happen or alternatives to banning. I feel it's pretty obvious after reading over the statements. Almost all of the points are routine points that come up in relation to this topic in fight sports and martial arts, on an mma board, everyone would have understood, maybe my error in assuming this is the same.

I think he just called you a moron.
 
Bouncing makes him faster? Holy crap.

I had a guy training under me once who occasionally would just decide to start throwing down with strikes. Unfortunately, he was not good at avoiding getting hit, but I didn't want to pound him, so he got thrown. A lot. he was usually trying to impress some woman at the time.

This same guy came up to me while we were supporting an event at another instructor's school. A_J! A_J! I just came up with the perfect defense for anything your opponent can do! I worked it out with my top student! Let me show you! The two stood there grinning then he said, give me a fighting stance. I assume my posture. NO! hold both your hands up, like you do when you're fighting! I asked him, after all the times I've beaten you, how can you not know my fighting stance? This is how I fight. Well he got this funny look on his face...

Well, it won't work against that...

:D :D :D
 
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This same guy came up to me while we were supporting an event at another instructor's school. A_J! A_J! I just came up with the perfect defense for anything your opponent can do! I worked it out with my top student! Let me show you! The two stood there grinning then he said, give me a fighting stance. I assume my posture. NO! hold both your hands up, like you do when you're fighting! I asked him, after all the times I've beaten you, how can you not know my fighting stance? This is how I fight. Well he got this funny look on his face...

Well, it won't work against that...

:D :D :D

Damn you and your non-compliant guard. You destroyed the man's dreams...
 
Damn you and your non-compliant guard. You destroyed the man's dreams...

You cannot destroy the dreams of a narcissist. He was one of those types that you will probably recognize; he had a ton of trophies won in forms competition. Somehow, in his mind, that translated into I am a superb fighter. He was anything but. I, on the other hand, had about as many forms trophies as he had fighting trophies. Some men walk the walk and others just prance the dance.

:D :D :D
 
You cannot destroy the dreams of a narcissist. He was one of those types that you will probably recognize; he had a ton of trophies won in forms competition. Somehow, in his mind, that translated into I am a superb fighter. He was anything but. I, on the other hand, had about as many forms trophies as he had fighting trophies. Some men walk the walk and others just prance the dance.

:D :D :D

I had a friend who trained with one teacher for a while who was good at the acrobatic stuff. Now, my friend had fought plenty, and trained with that teacher because he just wanted to learn the actobatic stuff, and the teacher was not pretending they were tough or anything. I remember one day, I stopped by to pick him up, we were going somewhere after, and one student was trying to tell my friend what's what, and wouldn't take no for an answer. My friend finally suggested sparring, and then owned the guy using really, really basic stuff. The other guy was like, well yeah, but can you do that with real martial arts.

My friend chose to take the high road.

I remember a number of times, when I was a senior student, people coming in, just looking to beat up someone, staying long enough to see who they might be fighting, and then leaving before they were called on it. They were generally smarter than the ones who decided to stay and challenge. Challenge matches are sad affairs, more often than not.
 
The only form in MMA is a good choke hold and slapping around the girlfriend.
 
I had the same sort of experience at a National Chinese Martial Arts "festival" which was being run by one of my some-times instructors. On a lark, I entered into the open forms and open weapons to kill the time before the fighting. My judging panel included people like Augustine Fong and Bow Mark Sim. I had on my no-nonsense heavyweight uniform (almost Judo sturdy, with my instructors, I never knew when or where one of them was going to grab and do something to me to demonstrate a point to someone else), starched, pressed creased and popping with technique. (I was competing against guys in animal cloths/costumes, pajamas of every color including pink, and people who walked out to compete in street clothes.) By the time I was halfway through Gae Baek, the auditorium had grown silent and most of the competitors, judges and audience were focused on my performance. At its conclusion, I received a standing ovation.

When the results were announced, I had come in second. Sifu Fong approached and with an air of embarrassed sheepishness explained to me that the Chinese valued flow and smoothness over strong technique. Well, I was using kama next performing a Kempo Kobudo routine of the Nagamine school. Well, I was fond of the form and had gotten into the habit of focusing on the moves between the moves and the ever moving circular pattern of the kama themselves. Well, I flowed. I was smooth. I won.

;) ;)

Time for fighting. The high muckety-muck came up to me and informed me that we point fighters were not suited to their full-contact combat (boy did he not know any of my background) and not to be embarrassed if I could not compete at their level. Round one, this guy in white pajamas came at me slap boxing at my arms and shoulders, dancing in and out, acting like some sort of fucking monkey. Before too long, I had him timed and dropped with a picture perfect traditional reverse punch, he turned green, dropped to his knees and vomited. Round one, of course to the monkey dancer because "his hands were more active and his superior footwork." Well, round two featured a lot more fancy work as this guy was doing everything he could think of to stay well outside of what he assumed to be my range. The next thing he knew, he was getting up off the mat having been cleanly clocked with a spinning backfist. Round two to the monkey dancer because I used a wild uncontrolled and "excessively forceful" technique. I asked how the hell can one black belt put his hand upside of another black belt's head without knowing exactly where his technique was directed. No answer.

Well, Sifu Fong came and got me and asked me if I wanted to fight a couple of matches with two other pajama clad dudes for third place. In a bit of pique I just looked at him and told him, it's a Chinese tournament, let the Chinese guys fight for it. As soon as they learned that, they came to me and thanked me. They were going to bow out of the competition if they had to face me.

So much for Chinese full-contact fighters and fighting.

;) ;)
 
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I remember a number of times, when I was a senior student, people coming in, just looking to beat up someone, staying long enough to see who they might be fighting, and then leaving before they were called on it. They were generally smarter than the ones who decided to stay and challenge. Challenge matches are sad affairs, more often than not.

I taught at inner-city city school that was located between two bars. So we got to shoo the hookers away from the door every night and frequently entertain drunken master wannabes. That's one good way to sharpen your skills and then teach them a lesson by calling the cops to come haul them away.

:cool:
 
I had the same sort of experience at a National Chinese Martial Arts "festival" which was being run by one of my some-times instructors. On a lark, I entered into the open forms and open weapons to kill the time before the fighting. My judging panel included people like Augustine Fong and Bow Mark Sim. I had on my no-nonsense heavyweight uniform (almost Judo sturdy, with my instructors, I never knew when or where one of them was going to grab and do something to me to demonstrate a point to someone else), starched, pressed creased and popping with technique. (I was competing against guys in animal cloths/costumes, pajamas of every color including pink, and people who walked out to compete in street clothes.) By the time I was halfway through Gae Baek, the auditorium had grown silent and most of the competitors, judges and audience were focused on my performance. At its conclusion, I received a standing ovation.

When the results were announced, I had come in second. Sifu Fong approached and with an air of embarrassed sheepishness explained to me that the Chinese valued flow and smoothness over strong technique. Well, I was using kama next performing a Kempo Kobudo routine of the Nagamine school. Well, I was fond of the form and had gotten into the habit of focusing on the moves between the moves and the ever moving circular pattern of the kama themselves. Well, I flowed. I was smooth. I won.

;) ;)

Time for fighting. The high muckety-muck came up to me and informed me that we point fighters were not suited to their full-contact combat (boy did he not know any of my background) and not to be embarrassed if I could not compete at their level. Round one, this guy in white pajamas came at me slap boxing at my arms and shoulders, dancing in and out, acting like some sort of fucking monkey. Before too long, I had him timed and dropped with a picture perfect traditional reverse punch, he turned green, dropped to his knees and vomited. Round one, of course to the monkey dancer because "his hands were more active and his superior footwork." Well, round two featured a lot more fancy work as this guy was doing everything he could think of to stay well outside of what he assumed to be my range. The next thing he knew, he was getting up off the mat having been cleanly clocked with a spinning backfist. Round two to the monkey dancer because I used a wild uncontrolled and "excessively forceful" technique. I asked how the hell can one black belt put his hand upside of another black belt's head without knowing exactly where his technique was directed. No answer.

Well, Sifu Fong came and got me and asked me if I wanted to fight a couple of matches with two other pajama clad dudes for third place. In a bit of pique I just looked at him and told him, it's a Chinese tournament, let the Chinese guys fight for it. As soon as they learned that, they came to me and thanked me. They were going to bow out of the competition if they had to face me.

So much for Chinese full-contact fighters and fighting.

;) ;)

Don't even get me started on competition rules. Absolutely nothing you said is in any way new to me. I can't count the number of competitions I've seen where jumping back and lightly tapping the head is almost the only allowable head strike.
 
Don't even get me started on competition rules. Absolutely nothing you said is in any way new to me. I can't count the number of competitions I've seen where jumping back and lightly tapping the head is almost the only allowable head strike.

Or even worse, an open tournament where you mix the guys from the blood and guts era with the new age martial artist (the tap-tap artist). As one of my forms Senseis pointed out to me, in one ring its mild and wild and in the next ring its blood sport.

;) ;)
 
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