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jennyb2492

jennyb2492

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I have always pasted my story into the box and added the HTML coding by hand - been doing this for 29 chapters now - I center my dedication and/or comments (using < center >); I also separate my scenes using "~~~", sometimes left justified and sometimes centered. I carefully checked multiple times that it all appeared right before I hit the submit button. Tonight when my latest chapter came out, all the "~" had been replaced by "******" and nothing was centered. (All the italics were fine.)

Does anyone know if the "rules" about which codes and characters can be used have changed? I'm not complaining; I just won't spend the time sticking those things in if they can't be used any more. Thanks.
 
These are the following HTML that is allowed in the text.

Italics <i> </i>
Bold <b> </b>
Underline <u> </u>
center <center> </center>
Used for intents (a five character indent) <blockquote> </blockquote>
for a 10 char indent use <blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote></blockquote>

As for separating scenes...

The standard has usually been "* * * * *" centered.

Here at Lit, I have seen all different characters used. Maybe Laurel just changed them for you. And are you sure you had the <center> tag around them?
 
Nothing that's been announced.

About the only thing you can do is PM Laurel and ask.

It's really weird, though.
 
If -- and this is only conjecture on my part -- Manu is translating everything on Lit from old HTML to HTML5, there may be some glitches here and there. Formatting in HTML5 are pretty much the same as old HTML, but there are some differences, and some problems can occur if the HTML formatting was done in a word processing program and then CP'ed into the the Lit field.

As others have said, trying different ways to submit might clear up the problem.
 
I never have centered my section breaks for Lit. and always have used (* * * *). We'll see if these stick (I submitted a story with that today).
 
slyc_willie said:
If -- and this is only conjecture on my part -- Manu is translating everything on Lit from old HTML to HTML5, there may be some glitches here and there. Formatting in HTML5 are pretty much the same as old HTML, but there are some differences, and some problems can occur if the HTML formatting was done in a word processing program and then CP'ed into the the Lit field.

As others have said, trying different ways to submit might clear up the problem.
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That could explain the centering, but not the change of ~ to *. Pretty much a conscious decision there.
 
I've always copy and pasted when posting a story but never used any html commands - heck I didn't know them until this post.

However, Laurel has always put my comments at the beginning of the story - the usual 'All characters over 18 etc' - in italics without me asking for them or putting in html.
 
Thanks for the replies, guys (and gals?? hard to tell!)

Zeb_Carter, I'm familiar with the allowed codes (and thanks for reposting them because it's always good to remind folks what can be used). I did use them exactly as written. Hmmm...

Slyc_willie - I usually insert the codes into my .odt document (Open Office) and then copy and paste the whole thing into the Lit. box. Maybe that's the problem.

Thanks for the speculation and information. In the grand scheme of life, not a biggie.
 
Just a little light reading in Wikipedia about HTML5 -

"Some deprecated elements from HTML 4.01 have been dropped, including purely presentational elements such as <font> and <center>, whose effects have long been superseded by the more capable Cascading Style Sheets."

Not sure what it means, but maybe that's why nothing is centered with the <center> </center> any more?
 
jennyb2492 said:
Just a little light reading in Wikipedia about HTML5 -

"Some deprecated elements from HTML 4.01 have been dropped, including purely presentational elements such as <font> and <center>, whose effects have long been superseded by the more capable Cascading Style Sheets."

Not sure what it means, but maybe that's why nothing is centered with the <center> </center> any more?
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Eight stories were submitted and posted just last week...<center> worked fine in all of them.

See here: http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=1904794&page=submissions
 
jennyb2492 said:
Just a little light reading in Wikipedia about HTML5 -

"Some deprecated elements from HTML 4.01 have been dropped, including purely presentational elements such as <font> and <center>, whose effects have long been superseded by the more capable Cascading Style Sheets."

Not sure what it means, but maybe that's why nothing is centered with the <center> </center> any more?
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<center></center> has been replaced by [text-align:center], but depending on the site, or the browser, it might still work. As far as submitting goes, using <center></center> should be enough of a clue for when the story is coded for the site. Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) are additional files onto which HTML5 styles are written, and are then called to by HTML pages. In Lit's case, Manu would have a CSS that has all the basic code that every story uses -- font, margins, headings, the Literotica graphic on the side, all those buttons and bells and whistles at the bottom of each page, etc. -- and in-line HTML code would be inserted for anything in the story that deviates from that.

What might be a potential problem is cutting and pasting from an OpenOffice document. There's a lot of invisible code that can be carried over, as I found out recently when constructing a web page, that inserts a bunch of crap and messes with the formatting. You can try transferring the story to (or writing it on) NotePad, and then C/Ping from that.

Personally, I've always uploaded a .doc file written in OpenOffice and have only had one issue.
 
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You're not designing a book here . . . or purposely trying to distract your reader (are you?). Literotica is like any publisher. They have a design across their product line and everything should fit into that for uniform presentation. They keep theirs simple because this is a story site, not a circus. If you've got to deliver your story with a bunch of bells and whistles, you might not have much of a story to deliver.
 
sr71plt said:
You're not designing a book here . . . or purposely trying to distract your reader (are you?). Literotica is like any publisher. They have a design across their product line and everything should fit into that for uniform presentation. They keep theirs simple because this is a story site, not a circus. If you've got to deliver your story with a bunch of bells and whistles, you might not have much of a story to deliver.
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Did you even read the posts here?

Did you comprehend the meaning of the words as they flowed across your screen?
 
Sr7plt - You're a bully, and you are the biggest reason I tell other authors not to bother coming here when they want to ask a question.

I'm well aware how you feel about writers doing any kind of "designing" here - I've read your very critical and demeaning posts in the past, directed at other authors. I also know that I have submitted 28 chapters previous to this one, using style elements that are clearly within the guidelines, with absolutely no trouble up to this point. Centering text or scene divisions is not "bells and whistles" - they are stylistic elements to make the reading of the story more clean. As for not having much story to read, well, my readers make that decision, and to this point they have been a reasonably contented bunch.

I don't care if you have published shitloads of stories and know what you are doing - ultimately, it doesn't matter, because you live to make others feel bad.


Slyc_willie - thank you for your explanation. I will try entering the code into the story after it is pasted in Lit, rather than before.

Zeb - thanks
 
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jennyb2492 said:
Sr7plt - You're a bully, and you are the biggest reason I tell other authors not to bother coming here when they want to ask a question.

I'm well aware how you feel about writers doing any kind of "designing" here - I've read your very critical and demeaning posts in the past, directed at other authors. I also know that I have submitted 28 chapters previous to this one, using style elements that are clearly within the guidelines, with absolutely no trouble up to this point. Centering text or scene divisions is not "bells and whistles" - they are stylistic elements to make the reading of the story more clean. As for not having much story to read, well, my readers make that decision, and to this point they have been a reasonably contented bunch.

I don't care if you have published shitloads of stories and know what you are doing - ultimately, it doesn't matter, because you live to make others feel bad.
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Interesting to contrast SR's comments here with remarks from another recent thread:

SR71plt said:
I guess the attempt to deny other writers and readers their own fetishes and just sticking to your own without trying to tell others what to write/read on Literotica just isn't going to go away on the forum, is it?

...

I go back to this being a story site serving extremely broad interests. If you truly want to let writers write what they want and readers read what they want--within the limits set by the Web site owners--you won't be posting your personal preferences to the forum (especially those directly derogatory of what authors have put in their stories). You'll just be glad you can write what you like and find to read what you like and leave others the hell alone to pursue their own enjoyments.

...

I guess we also differ on what it means for someone to take the time and effort to post their very particular preferences on a forum, as well. If it isn't a suggestion of what people should write/read, why bother to post it?
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Pots, kettles, etc.
 
Do we not understand that there's a difference between content and presentation?

(And, my, that was over the top, Jenny. Feel better now?)
 
sr71plt said:
Do we not understand that there's a difference between content and presentation?
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Apparently not, if you think what I've posted is a pot/kettle position.

I do support writers here not being told what or how they can write (although they can't post it if it violates the limits that the website owners--not me--set), and every day I see someone on the forum trying to do that--set artificial limits. Usually to please their own individualistic perferences. (I see the flip side of that too. Posters thinking that good writers have found some sort of mythical universal reader to feed for praise and ratings on a free-use website and are just salivating to hand them an easy button.)

That has nothing whatsoever to do with publication design. Publishers hold back the rights to publication design as theirs, not the authors. Literotica (not me) has as well.

I you don't understand that freedom of expression and content writing technique have nothing to do with the publisher's right--and intent--to have uniform presentation across its product (so as not to distract the reader from the content), you don't understand much about publishing (or reading, for that matter).

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with what you just posted, Bram.
 
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jennyb2492 said:
Sr7plt - You're a bully, and you are the biggest reason I tell other authors not to bother coming here when they want to ask a question.

I'm well aware how you feel about writers doing any kind of "designing" here - I've read your very critical and demeaning posts in the past, directed at other authors. I also know that I have submitted 28 chapters previous to this one, using style elements that are clearly within the guidelines, with absolutely no trouble up to this point. Centering text or scene divisions is not "bells and whistles" - they are stylistic elements to make the reading of the story more clean. As for not having much story to read, well, my readers make that decision, and to this point they have been a reasonably contented bunch.

I don't care if you have published shitloads of stories and know what you are doing - ultimately, it doesn't matter, because you live to make others feel bad.


Slyc_willie - thank you for your explanation. I will try entering the code into the story after it is pasted in Lit, rather than before.

Zeb - thanks
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Good post, too bad it does no good pariah's like pilot thrive on the sites "freedom of speech stance"

But take his sniping as what it is, the petty jealousies of a lifeless troll.

And I checked out your page. Seems your stories are very well received.

far better than his is. Then again most forum poster's stories are.

That's the reason for the sniping and pettiness.

Take it as a compliment.
 
Terrific (as usual). I simply give background on why publishers--and this website--do certain things, and out come the knownothing wolves to pound away on their agendas. :rolleyes:

This website has very restrictive posting presentation limits. They do it for a reason that everyone who isn't ignorant about publishing understands and accepts. Certainly, if they let you do it, it's within their restrictions. But even there, there are certain practices (like centering your section markers) that very few do, that have nothing to do with your story content (or much of anything else), and that, because very few do it, will be distracting to greater or lesser degree to the reader of the story--for no reason that does you, as the author of the story, any good whatsoever.

Nowhere did I say you couldn't do it. (But, yes, you are naïve and silly to make a federal case over your need to make it "pretty"--at least to you.)
 
sr71plt said:
Do we not understand that there's a difference between content and presentation?

(And, my, that was over the top, Jenny. Feel better now?)
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sr71plt said:
Apparently not, if you think what I've posted is a pot/kettle position.

I do support writers here not being told what or how they can write (although they can't post it if it violates the limits that the website owners--not me--set), and every day I see someone on the forum trying to do that--set artificial limits. Usually to please their own individualistic perferences. (I see the flip side of that too. Posters thinking that good writers have found some sort of mythical universal reader to feed for praise and ratings on a free-use website and are just salivating to hand them an easy button.)

That has nothing whatsoever to do with publication design. Publishers hold back the rights to publication design as theirs, not the authors. Literotica (not me) has as well.

I you don't understand that freedom of expression and content writing technique have nothing to do with the publisher's right--and intent--to have uniform presentation across its product (so as not to distract the reader from the content), you don't understand much about publishing (or reading, for that matter).

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with what you just posted, Bram.
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sr71plt said:
Terrific (as usual). I simply give background on why publishers--and this website--do certain things, and out come the knownothing wolves to pound away on their agendas. :rolleyes:

This website has very restrictive posting presentation limits. They do it for a reason that everyone who isn't ignorant about publishing understands and accepts. Certainly, if they let you do it, it's within their restrictions. But even there, there are certain practices (like centering your section markers) that very few do, that have nothing to do with your story content (or much of anything else), and that, because very few do it, will be distracting to greater or lesser degree to the reader of the story--for no reason that does you, as the author of the story, any good whatsoever.

Nowhere did I say you couldn't do it. (But, yes, you are naïve and silly to make a federal case over your need to make it "pretty"--at least to you.)
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And again and again and again you fail to comprehend what the OP was posting about. You just go off on your own little tangent, tantrum and ignore what the whole thread is about.

You been smoking some of that wacky weed? Drinkin' too much Jack D? Huffing too much model glue?
 
Zeb_Carter said:
These are the following HTML that is allowed in the text.

Italics <i> </i>
Bold <b> </b>
Underline <u> </u>
center <center> </center>
Used for intents (a five character indent) <blockquote> </blockquote>
for a 10 char indent use <blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote></blockquote>

As for separating scenes...

The standard has usually been "* * * * *" centered.

Here at Lit, I have seen all different characters used. Maybe Laurel just changed them for you. And are you sure you had the <center> tag around them?
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Hey, Zeb, thank you for this answer! I'm working on my first submission, and I couldn't find info on HTML coding anywhere in the Submission FAQs.
 
The last chapter that I posted, last week, I made the changes as suggested. I pasted the contents into the submission box with the italics already coded (<i>), but all the other coding (<center> ) and the tildes (~~~) I entered directly into the box. No go. None of the characters were centered, and all the tildes were replaced by asterisks again, though all the italics were fine.

No big deal - my trilogy is done! But I wonder if others are seeing the same thing when they submit the way I have vs. uploading a file.
 
jennyb2492 said:
The last chapter that I posted, last week, I made the changes as suggested. I pasted the contents into the submission box with the italics already coded (<i>), but all the other coding (<center> ) and the tildes (~~~) I entered directly into the box. No go. None of the characters were centered, and all the tildes were replaced by asterisks again, though all the italics were fine.

No big deal - my trilogy is done! But I wonder if others are seeing the same thing when they submit the way I have vs. uploading a file.
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I never have, but I have always used the "* * * *" for scene separations, constructed like this...

<center>* * * *</center>

...and it has always worked fine. Did it just last month with a story...no problems.

Sorry you're having problems...don't know what it could be as Laurel usually won't change things...unless the ~~~ does something to the HTML5 coding. But then she would just replace the tildes with asterisks.

ETA: Lit is still using XHTML 1.0 for the site.

DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd
 
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