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NY Time Editorial Board - The Administration Has Lost All Credibility

Phelia said:
Ok, while I obviously do not like a lot of the things that Rob says, I called him out because he made a claim that was factually incorrect. I provided him with evidence to the contrary (that's how that works, btw). End of transaction.

Whining about him after he's gone and making stupid low blows is not making you look any better - it just seems petty and cowardly. Everyone needs to simmer down and go back to hating Obama.
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You're not our mother!
 
Phelia said:
Ok, while I obviously do not like a lot of the things that Rob says, I called him out because he made a claim that was factually incorrect. I provided him with evidence to the contrary (that's how that works, btw). End of transaction.

Whining about him after he's gone and making stupid low blows is not making you look any better - it just seems petty and cowardly. Everyone needs to simmer down and go back to hating Obama.
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I'm starting to think that you are a trouble maker.
 
eyer said:
You're not our mother!
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You just want me to pick your nose!

ms_ann_thrope said:
I'm starting to think that you are a trouble maker.
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*polishes halo* *with my mouth* *also the halo is a cock* *a blowjob reference is what I'm trying to accomplish here*

In all seriousness, I know I'm being a bit wretched and insufferable, but I just think everyone in here is being very irksome. Me included. Maybe it's this thread. Let's go hang out in the tit thread instead.
 
it's all math.

of course they are watching us in this satellite age. it's not just the government watching, either. my guess is mostly data compiling and profiling. all of which is already done by big internet business. key word scanners. patterns. if you have access to the information, the rest is just a program away. right/wrong? unless someone brings up legal arguments against it, it's not going to change. homeland security isn't going to give up any territory gained without a fight. there is an urgent national need. the threat is out there.

when groups of people start going onto secret government lists, everyone should be worried. our nation has a bloody back room history, where people who are appointed to serve the nation have put personal agendas to work. just like every other government in history.
 
Phelia said:
That depends. Are boogers vegan? Also would prefer gluten-free if possible.
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it's a bodily secretion. just like pussy juice and sperms. if that is gluten free, you are safe.
 
vetteman said:
Author of Patriot Act says NSA phone records collection 'never the intent' of law
Published June 06, 2013
FoxNews.com


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...e-records-collection-excessive/#ixzz2VUziqj2C
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Your article says that Republicans who are actually on the House and Senate Intelligence Committees support the program:
A handful of in-the-know lawmakers lined up to defend the program, while acknowledging the need to protect privacy.

Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chairman of the House intelligence committee, said the effort is not "data mining," and has helped quash a terrorist attack on U.S. soil in the past few years. He would not elaborate.

The leaders of the Senate intelligence committee also defended the program, saying it is "nothing new." Republican Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss said it's been going on for seven years.
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Seems the program has stopped at least one terrorist attack. Let's say terrorists would have demolished a crowded shopping mall full of people and a thousand lives were saved. Would you support it then?
 
RobDownSouth said:
The actual quote..."The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue." refers to the NSA Wiretap controversy. It's completely legal for the NSA to wiretap whomever the hell they want to, because Congress gave President Bush the power to legally do so after it appeared Dubya was breaking the law.
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Not exactly.

The "terrorist surveillance program" under Bush was his effort to expand the foreign intelligence mandate of the NSA by allowing the wiretapping of phone conversations as long as one of the participants was a foreigner residing outside the United States. He abandoned the program in 2007 by way of letter from Attorney General Gonzales to the Senate. Although the substance of the "one-party-wiretap-target" was incorporated into the Protect America Act of 2007 and the 2008 FISA amendments, the unrestricted warrantless wiretapping of phone conversations between two Americans has not been authorized by statute nor would it impede the courts from overturning it if it was.
 
ChinaDerpit said:
I did not conveniently leave out the link.

The PRC blocks the Times website.
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I would ask if you were blocked from reading the purported quote, how did you know it existed in the first place?

Then I realized you were likely regurgitating a breathless Fox News editorial (on their front page) about the NY Times editorial.

But you'd never admit that....


Phelia said:
Actually, the NYT made that edit after it was published, quietly and slithery-like. "On this issue" was not part of the original quote. You should probably apologize to the OP for being a) wrong and b) an offensive dick.
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Let's review here:
The Lord of the Gook made a scurrilous claim, with nothing to back his claim up.
I pointed out the lack of honesty in his quote.
The New York Times modifies its quote to give it context (and deny the whackadoodle right the "but...but...even the New York Times said!" talking point. They do not place a note, as is usual practice, of indicating the copy has changed.

Rather than take issue with the Lord of the Gook for his out of context remarks, you take issue with me drawing attention to his intellectual dishonesty.

This makes your outrage look, well, a bit situational, no?

We've been having teachable moments about the need for "context" here on the General Board all week. You may recall disgraced Marine Vettebigot using a quote from President Obama in 2010 as a "response" to the IRS scandals in 2013.

And now we have yet another Marine taking words out of context....you'll note he has not backed away from his now officially out-of-context remarks, despite several opportunities to do so (he's posted a number of times since you brought it up).

I stand by my opinion that the original poster has once again brought great shame upon himself, his family, his gook, the United States Marine Corps and his beloved adopted country of China with his intellectually dishonest remarks.
 
Colonel Hogan said:
Not exactly.

The "terrorist surveillance program" under Bush was his effort to expand the foreign intelligence mandate of the NSA by allowing the wiretapping of phone conversations as long as one of the participants was a foreigner residing outside the United States. He abandoned the program in 2007 by way of letter from Attorney General Gonzales to the Senate. Although the substance of the "one-party-wiretap-target" was incorporated into the Protect America Act of 2007 and the 2008 FISA amendments, the unrestricted warrantless wiretapping of phone conversations between two Americans has not been authorized by statute nor would it impede the courts from overturning it if it was.
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You are correct, I was mistaken. The statute allows unlimited individual wiretapping for the flimsiest of reasons, it does not permit wholesale fishing.

Since I am not a United States Marine, I have no problem admitting error on my part.
 
The NYT is full of shit. Regardless of what he does they'll continue kissing his ass and bowing at his feet until the day he leaves office.
 
RobDownSouth said:
They clarified their remarks, adding context.

I'm beginning to believe "context" frightens you almost as much as Hispanics do.
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they did nothing of the sort


btw, didya ever notice......how EVERYTHING from your side

has to

be

CONTEXTUALIZED?



after a call from ObamaTHUGS!
 
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