Obama: The Great Deceiver

pete · May 18, 2012

KingOrfeo said:
The absolute proof regarding Obama's place of birth (Honolulu) is a matter of public record and has been published in the media, and posted here, countless times.

His purportedly falsely claiming birth in Kenya is a new twist, and I'm still waiting to hear how it makes any sense from Obama's POV.

a white house-issued birth certificate, sadly, doesn't really count for shit, and you know this. as already argued in this thread, powerful people with powerful support can have any level of documentation manipulated with ease. you'd have to be a naive fool to assume tens of millions wouldn't be spent, that careers wouldn't be ruined or lives woudn't be lost just to avoid an impeachment, or even political embarrassment.

but again, none of it matters. people will believe what they want to believe. you're indignant about the issue and ready to spew hateful words to others based solely on what you've read and "seen" on the internet... not exactly the definition of 'wisdom', yeah? and hell, even if you'd actually held a copy of a birth certificate in your hand, what does that prove? jack.

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Johnny_Ray_Wilson · May 18, 2012

For what it is worth.

Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

I believe it is safe to say that Obama falls within those requirements.

KingOrfeo · May 18, 2012

pete1968 said:
a white house-issued birth certificate . . .

. . . is not what the world has been shown. It came from the state government of Hawaii.

Long form, 2011

On April 22, 2011, Obama asked Loretta Fuddy, director of the Hawaii Department of Health, for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth ("long-form birth certificate").[44] Accompanying the letter was a written request from Judith Corley, Obama's personal counsel, requesting a waiver of the department's policy on computer-generated certificates. Corley stated that granting the waiver would relieve the department of the burden of repeated inquiries into the President's birth records.[45]

On April 25, 2011, Fuddy approved the request and witnessed the copying process as the health department's registrar issued the certified copies. The same day, Corley personally visited the department headquarters in Honolulu to pay the required fee on Obama's behalf, and received the two requested certified copies of the original birth certificate, an accompanying letter from Fuddy attesting to the authenticity of same, and a receipt for the processing fee. Fuddy said that she had granted the exception to its normal policy of issuing only computer-generated copies by virtue of Obama's status, in an effort to avoid ongoing requests for the birth certificate.[46][47]

On April 27, White House staffers gave reporters a copy of the certificate, which they had posted on the White House website.[48][49] It confirmed the details of the official short-form certificate released in 2008.[50][51]

KingOrfeo · May 18, 2012

vetteman said:
Orf, you're nuts.

At least I'm not a coward like miles.

Once again, what is to be proven here -- that Obama was born in Kenya, or that he for some reason once falsely claimed that?

pete · May 18, 2012

KingOrfeo said:
. . . is not what the world has been shown. It came from the state government of Hawaii.

oh well why didn't you say so?
naturally, HAWAIIAN documents are iron-clad!! there's no forging that shit!

KingOrfeo · May 18, 2012

pete1968 said:
oh well why didn't you say so?
naturally, HAWAIIAN documents are iron-clad!! there's no forging that shit!

I'd thought, based on the Breitbart thing, this thread would present an interesting new twist . . . but it appears to have veered straight back into the plain ol' done-to-death Orly Taitz Birtherism.

Why don't all the Old School Birthers go to this thread of Ellie Talbot's, and the rest of us can make this-here thread something fresh?

pete · May 18, 2012

KingOrfeo said:
I'd thought, based on the Breitbart thing, this thread would present an interesting new twist . . . but it appears to have veered straight back into the plain ol' done-to-death Orly Taitz Birtherism.

and again, what does it matter? people's beliefs aren't fundamentally changed either way, and here on a political forum framed by bouncing boobs and throat-fucking there's no chance anyone's switching their opinions about anything

KingOrfeo · May 18, 2012

pete1968 said:
and again, what does it matter? people's beliefs aren't fundamentally changed either way, and here on a political forum framed by bouncing boobs and throat-fucking there's no chance anyone's switching their opinions about anything

[shrug] The Lit has a dozen forums for sex-and-nothing-else. The GB is where horny creeps come when we want to argue. Enjoy it. Wallow in it.

KingOrfeo · May 18, 2012

Johnny_Ray_Wilson said:
Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

I believe it is safe to say that Obama falls within those requirements.

Well, it's not either/or, he has to meet both sets of requirements, bolded and unbolded, to be eligible. Which he does, of course, but doubt as to the unbolded part what this fuss is all about, you know. Or else, his meeting that requirement but at some point in his life pretending not to is what the fuss is about, it's hard to tell at this point.

KingOrfeo · May 18, 2012

Of course, we all know what this is really all about . . .

Johnny_Ray_Wilson · May 18, 2012

KingOrfeo said:
Well, it's not either/or, he has to meet both sets of requirements, bolded and unbolded, to be eligible. Which he does, of course, but doubt as to the unbolded part what this fuss is all about, you know. Or else, his meeting that requirement but at some point in his life pretending not to is what the fuss is about, it's hard to tell at this point.

Not either/or? Interpret the wording of the US Constitution however you want. Everyone else does. In the unbolded, there is a naturally born OR there is a citizen. I believe it is the latter in this case. Either way, he seems to meet the requirements.

I honestly do not see why so many people are so upset about it. Every politician, particularly Presidents, lie their asses off about something(s).

miles · May 18, 2012

KingOrfeo said:
At least I'm not a coward like miles.

Once again, what is to be proven here -- that Obama was born in Kenya, or that he for some reason once falsely claimed that?

Picking up on Throb's verbiage now, huh? How admirable.

You answered your own question umpteen posts back, Troover. If it gets your teeny dick hard calling me a coward over and over, have at it.

miles · May 18, 2012

And Oreo, before you ask another of your redundant fake-lawyer-but-really-a -librarian questions read the first two sentences of my op. I wrote it just for you.

Now go straighten out the Romance Novel section and take your 10 minute break.

KingOrfeo · May 18, 2012

miles said:
You answered your own question umpteen posts back, Troover.

I'm not Trouvere. I have never had any alts here.

KingOrfeo · May 18, 2012

miles said:
And Oreo, before you ask another of your redundant fake-lawyer-but-really-a -librarian questions read the first two sentences of my op. I wrote it just for you.

What, this?

miles said:
The biography does, however, fit a pattern in which Obama--or the people representing and supporting him--manipulate his public persona.

No, it ain't part of any "pattern". Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by . . . well, in this case, simple carelessness.

Barack Obama birth certificate conspiracy theorists have been foiled again.

Conservative-leaning Breitbart.com on Tuesday published a copy of a promotional booklet from Obama's former literary agency. According to a brief biography in the 1991 booklet, Obama was "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii," fueling fire to the idea that the president is not a natural-born American citizen.

As New York magazine noted, the article caused a stir in conservative circles, drawing commentary from the Drudge Report and other popular websites.

However, the woman who wrote Obama's biography in the pamphlet said Thursday that she had misidentified Obama's place of birth.

This was nothing more than a fact-checking error by me -- an agency assistant at the time," Miriam Goderich, who worked for the literary agency Acton & Dystel, told Yahoo News. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Well, that's that. Obama is no "Great Deceiver" -- not in any connection with this, anyway.

RobDownSouth · May 18, 2012

miles said:
Picking up on Throb's verbiage now, huh? How admirable.

You answered your own question umpteen posts back, Troover. If it gets your teeny dick hard calling me a coward over and over, have at it.

^^^ Miles Ben Zonah's fascination with other guys' dicks makes yet another unexpected appearance.

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