Chat isn't working, and also Karen is Ken

renard_ruse said:

No offense meant, but why would you go through all this trouble over a poster on a message board?

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Sonny Limatina said:

Here's the deal.

Not to start with self-congratulation, but...

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laZilla said:

I still don't understand why this Natasha chick went along with this to the extreme of posing for nude photos. I can see her doing it for money, but after a point it's going way too far, right? From what I see on her IMBd page she is a legit actress who has been in some decently big movies. Definitely an up-and-comer. Why would she stoop so low as to let someone post naked pictures of her on an erotica forum? Couldn't that potentially hurt her career, or at the very least detract from her credibility? Why on earth would she do this? It doesn't make sense to me.

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redheadedtxn said:

I do - they're older. So you think he was trying to hunt down pics of kids?

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Very_Bad_Man said:

Many big actresses did shit they later regret during the lean years.

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laZilla said:

Sure, I get that, but these days people are a lot more savvy about this kind of stuff. They understand that any nude photos they pose for or racist diatribes they recite on video have about a 99.9% chance of showing up online. It's not the same nowadays as it used to be when it comes to this kind of stuff. Surely this girl is not retarded. So...wtf?

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KRCummings said:

It won't be you because everyone already knows you're an undereducated loser.

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RobDownSouth said:

For two solid fucking months, I had to deal with pictures of my children being posted on this board, along with alts who had variations on my real name and my childrens names.

Laurel was very nice and deleted and banned every single one of these alts each time I asked. She also removed my kids pictures. Eventually Laurel put an "asterisk" block on my real name, that's the only way it stopped.

I honestly had no idea who was doing this to me, I thought it might be AJ because as everyone knows he can rationalize anything.

Well, then Miles fucked up. He was swapping PMs with "Karen" about my kids pictures, and accidently misspelled "Karen"'s name in one of them. The PM went to "KarenKraft" instead of "Karen Kraft" and KarenKraft is an parody alt of someone here (not me). This person was nice enough to send along the exchange, which I posted above for your consideration.

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RobDownSouth said:

For two solid fucking months, I had to deal with pictures of my children being posted on this board, along with alts who had variations on my real name and my childrens names.

Laurel was very nice and deleted and banned every single one of these alts each time I asked. She also removed my kids pictures. Eventually Laurel put an "asterisk" block on my real name, that's the only way it stopped.

I honestly had no idea who was doing this to me, I thought it might be AJ because as everyone knows he can rationalize anything.

Well, then Miles fucked up. He was swapping PMs with "Karen" about my kids pictures, and accidently misspelled "Karen"'s name in one of them. The PM went to "KarenKraft" instead of "Karen Kraft" and KarenKraft is an parody alt of someone here (not me). This person was nice enough to send along the exchange, which I posted above for your consideration.

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RobDownSouth said:

For two solid fucking months, I had to deal with pictures of my children being posted on this board, along with alts who had variations on my real name and my childrens names.

Laurel was very nice and deleted and banned every single one of these alts each time I asked. She also removed my kids pictures. Eventually Laurel put an "asterisk" block on my real name, that's the only way it stopped.

I honestly had no idea who was doing this to me, I thought it might be AJ because as everyone knows he can rationalize anything.

Well, then Miles fucked up. He was swapping PMs with "Karen" about my kids pictures, and accidently misspelled "Karen"'s name in one of them. The PM went to "KarenKraft" instead of "Karen Kraft" and KarenKraft is an parody alt of someone here (not me). This person was nice enough to send along the exchange, which I posted above for your consideration.

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Sonny Limatina said:

She didn't pose for him, necessarily. Certainly the one he sent me was clearly not for him. It was "artistic," and I'll leave it at that. It was not dirty, that much I can say.

But it was also clearly her.

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Very_Bad_Man said:

How the fuck did anybody get pic of your kids?

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laZilla said:

Sure, I get that, but these days people are a lot more savvy about this kind of stuff. They understand that any nude photos they pose for or racist diatribes they recite on video have about a 99.9% chance of showing up online. It's not the same nowadays as it used to be when it comes to this kind of stuff. Surely this girl is not retarded. So...wtf?

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Very_Bad_Man said:

How the fuck did anybody get pic of your kids?

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warrior queen said:

That's a little scary.
But I guess if someone were determined enough, it could be done.
Everything you ever put online is traceable - regardless of how careful you are.
Used a pic hosting site? On fb? Link to your real email?
If someone digs far enough, they could probably link everything together.

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zipman said:

But your right about Sonny, that was a job well done.

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redheadedtxn said:

What is so bothersome is that anyone would exploit a child. I mean come ON. I know there's some mouth-foaming angry people on this board, but to post pics of someone's child? That's a special kind of evil right there.

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garbage can said:

Zip, what was the "job well done" by Sonny???

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girlsmiley said:

It's funny you mention the garden thread. The pic I saw had a decent sized lawn. Garden looked like it needed a bit of weeding. Park bench type chair under a tree. Nothing like the pic of the garden there now, and also, nothing like the one from your deleted thread.

So, I have decided to meh.

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Image said:

Only when it thaws

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Sonny Limatina said:

Here's the deal.

Not to start with self-congratulation, but I have always said that I figured the Karen Kraft character was a composite ID of some sort. I won't post the instances, but they're around. I have a good ear; there was something off about her. At any rate, I'm certainly not the first one or the only one who noticed.

I have found her gleeful invocation of Rob's kids reprehensible, and generally find her posting style grating.

As a result, except for occasional posts in "Who Is This Person" threads, I have mostly ignored her.

She has tried to reach out to me a few times. When I haven't responded, she's pouted and put me on iggy.

Recently, she began trying again. Making jokes, winks, kisses and lofty, overwritten, incorrect historical posts in response to things I've said. I remembered that among the things she's claimed, being an editor was one of them. Reading her responses, I thought, "Well, one thing I know: This is no editor."

I have avs, signatures, and images off. I clicked through to her profile and saw that she had a link to some Smashwords books in her sig. One was a book with one author and three editors. That struck me as odd. That's not how it usually works.

I click through to all the other names. The author has web presence, the other two editors have web presence, Karen doesn't. OK, so it's a pseudonym, duh, we all know that.

Click author's profile. There are links to IMDB and Facebook. There on IMDB was a picture of author with Karen Kraft. What the. OK, got it, that's Karen, then, and sure enough, she's a friend of the author.

Click through to his Facebook page, which turns out to be public, and there's the same picture. This time, it's tagged. The woman is Natasha Melnicck, and the photo is a still from a movie set. Google Natasha, and there are lots of pictures of Karen. Click on videos of her, and there is Karen/Natasha talking about her new movie.

I read Ken's bio, do a little more Googling, and discover that his bio, hobbies, locations, writing style/idiosyncracies and even the timing of his book all match Karen. There's the tomato garden. There's the study abroad. There's Las Vegas and So Cal. There are some sons, one of whose names matches the one people have tossed about as KK in the past. The Baylor thing explains the Austin posts.

There is Ken writing a legal article about intra-family statutory rape. Karen came to lit writing about being sexually abused by mom and dad.

The only missing element is the twins, which turns out to be the plot of his self-published book: two young twin sisters save humanity, when--by the way--the age of consent is lowered so we can begin legally fucking girls sooner.

Again, not to horn-toot, but my prevailing theory about Karen was that it was a middle-aged lawyer with an unhealthy relationship with his daughter, and that he was posting her without consent. At one point I thought, Wait, if that's right, those young-girl threads are really fucking creepy. Then I just stopped noticing them and forgot.

I suddenly ealized how many atrocities the character was perpetrating, if he was in fact the middle-aged male. Outing people’s kids, preying on young, cute women, asking for personal addresses.

I am not the alt-outing type. I strongly considered just keeping the knowledge in my pocket. I actually don’t care who is who online, since that’s why people come online. I also often ask people in PMs what they do, who they are. I have revealed who I am to people. I have something to lose myself, and would not want to be outed.

As I was reading Karen’s old posts, I came across something about her dad fucking her or something of the like, and became sufficiently skeeved out by the aggregate that I decided, fuck it. Let him grow some balls and cop to who he is. If he outs me in return, at least my storyline matches reality and isn’t borderline-predator.

I had pictures of Ken’s tomato garden and the matching basil-and-mozzarella posts--and, of course, I knew by then he was her. But I could still think of ways to explain it away, if someone wanted to. I figured, there’s no way to explain away how Karen’s garden can be Ken’s garden if he’s not her. So I made my garden thread.

She didn’t post in it. So I baited her. I posted in the Slender Angels thread, saying that if it turned out she was a fat old man, the thread would seem creepy.

Bait worked: she PMd me asking that I change it, explaining how hard it would be for her if I didn’t, and sending a naked picture of Natasha Melnicck to prove she was a female.

I said, post in my Post Your Garden thread and I’ll consider it.

She did. It was the same garden.

Karen was Ken, and the rest is Litstory.

In the meantime, Karen went into major melt-down/attack mode, made some Sonny vanity threads and the like. I considered putting off the “out,” so no one would think it was retaliation, but then I realized, this isn’t curing breast cancer or killing Bin Laden, this is being a pest on a website, just post the stuff and move on.

So I did.

Please do not worry, if you’ve given me personal information, that I will share it. I never will. Karen gave me none of the information I posted, except on the board. It was all clicks through from her signature page to public pages, and posted only because of the skeeve/predator factor. I have started being more open (in PM) about who I am, partially as collateral so I can ask others who they are. As I said, I have a good ear: I like to hear/know people’s stories.

That’s it. QED and Cognito Virgo Drum and all that.

Love,
Sonny

P.S. AIDS!

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richard_daily said:

Why would this Natasha ******* person do that for this Ken person? I'm not following what the motivation would be.

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richard_daily said:

Ok, so I really don't care about this that much one way or another... I've assumed that Karen was just a confused woman who had a multiple personality and/or was severely bi-polar. Either way, he/she definitely has some serious mental problems, regardless of sex/identity.

The sticking point for me; how did Ken/Karen pull off the video? I'm sure that someone on here cares enough to have pulled it down and saved it... In it, it was quite clear that the woman in it is claiming to be Karen Kraft and saying things that only "she" would say.

Why would this Natasha ******* person do that for this Ken person? I'm not following what the motivation would be.

I'm sure someone here can come up with a hypothosis, I'm just curious, because that's certainly a loose end here.

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warrior queen said:

Yes, it is.
But then, there's more than a few completely fukked-up folks here on lit.

Someone once told me a long time ago when the earth was flat and the net was just starting to get scary, never use the same username or email for more than one site.
I have a different email and username for every place I go to on the net.

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