"9/11 Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out" Trailer

Colonel Hogan said:

Not surprisingly, you miss the point.

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Not surprisingly, I'm just one step ahead of you.

The justification might be no different but the aftermath and public perception was paramount. 9/11 was that catalyst and what's more the PNAC document said as much in early 2001

Besides, that wasn't your point as you used the time between 9/11 and Iraq as a reason why it wasn't linked and you also used the excuse of WMD as the reason for Iraq and not 9/11. You can think on your feet perhaps but, not surprisingly, you can't kid a kidder.

Take it easy sweetheart.

123hot said:

Yet others use wikipedia to prove their point or, indeed, the rhetoric of neo-con Bush.

Woofy, I was referring to Bin Laden mate (who wasn't tracked anywhere). If this were a false flag, I'm quite sure DNA would be taken care of.

Someone said the onus has to be on the conspiracists to prove the official line wrong but what about innoncence until proven guilty? I've not seen enough to convince me so I shan't declare anyone guilty. This isn't some over-hyped event that we can enjoy speculating (or in the case of some enjoy ridiculing others for speculating) who dunnit aka Kennedy, Diana, etc, but rather the justification for mass war which, coincidently, was already spelt out by the PNAC as far back as 98.

How can the US hit buildings with aircraft? A lot easier than people living in caves, that's for sure.

We come to our own conclusions based on what we've seen/read. Makes me laugh how some think they're so clever just because their views happen to match with a bunch of people who ended up profitting from the disaster. Truthers - what a stupid phrase for a stupid population of offensive cock-sure dudes with no more knowledge of the events than any conspiracist.

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I hate to ask a dumb question in a dumb thread, but if it's a false-flag operation designed to allow the invasion of Iraq, why not plant evidence making it look like a bunch of Iraqis did it?

11 Ways The 9/11 Truth Movement is Challenging The Hijacking of History And The Totalitarian Reengineering of Human Consciousness

1. The 9/11 truth movement points out to people that there is a force in the universe that is greater than government. Call it Truth. Call it Civil Society. Call it God. No matter what you call this force, it puts government to shame. The power of spontaneous and collective civil action is light years beyond the power of tanks and guns as wielded by the robots of the state.

2. By showing to people that reality can be like a dream, the 9/11 truth movement motivates people to dream a better society and help remake the world, as Martin Luther King Jr. and the American founding revolutionaries did. The power to dream is the power to recreate the world. Once the mask of the 9/11 lie is pulled down, anything becomes possible.

3. The 9/11 truth movement is replanting the old truth in modern hearts that the individual mind is sacred and that it is a crime to use totalitarian brainwashing tricks against human beings. Individuals who express a difference of opinion in any society deserve to be heard, not shouted down and called nasty names like “paranoid” and “crazy conspiracy theorists.”

Meerloo says in “The Rape of the Mind,” that societies are strong and free when unique speech and different worldviews are allowed to be examined under the collective microscope. Meerloo writes:

Our human strength lies in our diversity and independence of thought, in our acceptance of nonconformity, in our willingness to discuss and to evaluate various conflicting points of view. In denying the diversities of life and the complexity and individuality of the human mind, in preaching rigid dogmas and self-righteousness, we begin gradually to adopt the totalitarian attitude we deplore. (Meerloo, ‘The Rape of The Mind’; Grosset & Dunlap: New York, 1956. Pg. 164).

4. The 9/11 truth movement is reverse engineering totalitarian propaganda by Western governments and the Western corporate media. And by doing so, it is protecting human consciousness. It is also uplifting the spirit and dignity of the people of America and people all around the world.

5. The 9/11 truth movement poses this challenge to humanity: If history can be hijacked by political power then let’s get rid of political power and replace it with social power which comes from an informed and motivated civil society. Political power has never been used for good in any society. It is always used by elites to plunder, cheat, rob, kill, and destroy human life. Organized political power is the enemy of society.

6. The 9/11 truth movement conserves the honourable, good and celebrated principles of Western civilization and the Western Enlightenment such as freedom of speech and the right to dissent tyrannical laws.

7. The 9/11 truth movement does a great service to humanity by popularizing the concepts of mass mind control, totalitarian brainwashing, and false flag terrorism. It challenges the perverse desire of ruling elites to control the masses through the mass media and the mass education system.

8. The 9/11 truth movement believes science should be in service to society and humankind, not political and economic power. The U.S. shadow government claims that the official 9/11 report is scientific while other explanations of the attacks are products of delusion and conspiracy, but the opposite is true. Science is on the side of the truth and facts, not the government’s twisted version of reality and physics.

9. The 9/11 truth movement opens the political space for the emergence of a true, just and dignified world order, based on equality and respect; in opposition to a corrupt world order based on deceit, oppression, terror, mass murder, robbery, fraud, and treason.

10. The 9/11 truth movement faces the whole picture of totalitarian evil in Washington and Israel. It explains the world drama that is unfolding before our narrow eyes. It zooms in on government lies, provides a bird’s eye view of modern history, with 3D angles and high-definition camera shots. It points the way towards a history beyond perceptions.
When future historians look back on our age of mass unconsciousness, they will understand who the true villains were in the war on terror because the 9/11 truth movement exposed them.

11. Canadian literary theorist Northrop Frye said that totalitarian societies like Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Russia and Mao’s China suffered from “closed mythologies.” People in those societies were controlled by a rigid belief system that was imposed on them by ideologues and elites in power.
Societies that have “open mythologies” are free to create new art, disobey bad laws, express controversial political opinions in an open forum, and question the voices of authority.

http://disquietreservations.blogspot.com/2011/08/11-ways-911-truth-is-challenging.html

Gee, he makes being wrong sound so noble.

John Doe said:

Why do people keep thinking that YouTube can prove anything?

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The source is less important than the value of the evidence and facts presented. A logical civilized mind has no problem with comprehending this. When evidence that can be independently verified contradicts the official story, then there's some serious problems with the official story - this has been case with government propaganda many times over. It doesn't matter whether the government presents itself via their official media or the media controled by their elitest/rich buddies as being the "authoritative source" or not, if the evidence contradicts their claims, then it's their claims which should be questioned.

The difference between the Russians in the old USSR and Americans in the USA, is that the Russian people knew that their government was a lying propaganda machine run by very nasty psychos, while a great many Americans have yet to awaken to the fact that the American government is also run by a selfish, sociopathic, corrupt bunch of elitists.

A "truther" thread. Shit. Now all that's needed is a Lunar Landing Conspiracy thread and a Holocaust Denial thread for a nice little hat trick of stupidity. All Zionist plots so that evil Jews can take over the world, of course.

Let's see, so far I've seen videos on YT claiming that the WTC was a controlled demolition, hit by a military flight, hit by a civilian flight carrying an explosive package and hit by missiles. Well, shit, no wonder the towers collapsed under that sort of assault! The only proof I've seen from "truthers" on YT is the absolute indisputable truth that any idiot can post a video on YouTube.

Bad_Doggie said:

You need a special level of stupid to buy into all this stuff.

Woof!

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Stupidity is a resource that "truthers" will never run out of. The more you use, the more you have!

I have to admit I thought this thread would die quickly but it has hung around a bit. Just proves there's never a shortage of stupid.

Colonel Hogan said:

Gee, if the Director of the Strategic Defense Initiative thinks 9/11 was an inside job, one would think he would be able to pull a few strings and walk down the hall of the Pentagon and pull the files that would blow the case wide open.

If the Obama administration was thinking seriously about prosecuting George Bush for war crimes because a few prisoners were slapped around, how much better could it be than to prosecute the traitor President who killed thousands of innocent American citizens on a quiet Tuesday morning.

It's only been 10 years. Surely there is someone still in the government intelligence business that can provide the missing link that puts Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld in prison for life, if not the electric chair.

Thank God they finally made this into a full length motion picture. I only hope they're not too late.

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Not only that, but that was Bush's double sitting there at story time in Florida. Actually, Bush (an experienced combat pilot from way back) flew one of the planes into the towers at the WTC. If you look very carefully, you can see his parachute open a few seconds before impact -- the fact that he survived is proof positive that the Secret Service, along with angry Cuban exiles and the mafia set up the entire job in order to discredit Saddam, who was disrespectful to Bush's daddy. Clearly, there is sufficient proof now to arrest Bush, the Mafia, all Cubans, and let the innocent freedom fighters being tortured at Guantanamo Bay resume their passive, agricultural existence.

* giggle *

KRCummings said:

I have to admit I thought this thread would die quickly but it has hung around a bit. Just proves there's never a shortage of stupid.

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The Jews made you write this.

My Theory of 9/11 is as follows:

1. It was an inside job, designed to take America's eyes away from social programs and to focus them on an external enemy (who interestingly, was also created for the same reason years earlier and used to lesser effect by both George H.W and Bill Clinton).

2. The airplanes were indeed flown by fanatics - but their orders did not come from Bin Laden after meticulous planning, they came from Langley after YEARS of planning and were passed through Bin Laden.

3. The War in Afghanistan was a 'clean up op' to eliminate the couriers.

4. Gitmo is where the ones who threatened to blow the lid off the scam are stored. There are no foreign terrorists in Gitmo, only Americans who threatened to talk are imprisoned there.

5. When Gitmo became a liability - Iraq was launched to give the 9/11 conspirators another option for eliminating loose lips, plus it drew in more of the external enemy.

6. All the while - W was pumping oil through slant drilled wells from southern Iraq and storing it in formerly dry wells in the Gulf of Mexico (The BP spill was the result of one of these wells blowing up - they are not designed to have oil pumped back into the ground).

7. Obama is not closing Gitmo or ending any wars because he (through Soros) was told of the system and wants his cut of the money.


or something like that anyway. It's still just theory but I'm working on gathering documents for proof.

I have a theory that both Bush and Obama are actually just bodysuits operated by very tiny aliens as an advance team to do as much economic damage as possible to hinder Earth's ability to resist the inevitable alien invasion.

Makes just as much sense as any "truther" theory.

I imagine "truthers" probably think that Occam's Razor is something you shave with.

kbate said:

It's still just theory but I'm working on gathering documents for proof.

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In that case you're doing far more than the average truther.

Colonel Hogan said:

In that case you're doing far more than the average truther.

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Perhaps you do not understand that my previous post - is now one of the documents I intend to gather on the subject. Possibly the only one, although I might (time permitting of course) google a few supporting but obviously bullshite documents to force my detractors to waste time.

kbate said:

Perhaps you do not understand that my previous post - is now one of the documents I intend to gather on the subject. Possibly the only one, although I might (time permitting of course) google a few supporting but obviously bullshite documents to force my detractors to waste time.

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I like the methodology of quoting ones self as proof. I think you're on to something.

Spacefender said:

A "truther" thread. Shit. Now all that's needed is a Lunar Landing Conspiracy thread and a Holocaust Denial thread for a nice little hat trick of stupidity. All Zionist plots so that evil Jews can take over the world, of course.

Let's see, so far I've seen videos on YT claiming that the WTC was a controlled demolition, hit by a military flight, hit by a civilian flight carrying an explosive package and hit by missiles. Well, shit, no wonder the towers collapsed under that sort of assault! The only proof I've seen from "truthers" on YT is the absolute indisputable truth that any idiot can post a video on YouTube.




Stupidity is a resource that "truthers" will never run out of. The more you use, the more you have!

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Want some more bullshit guilt by association argument and nutty Ad Hominem with that? Hey, you can't explain away the gigantic holes in the government propaganda story, why not just throw insults at everyone who points out the holes, right?

That sure makes the holes go away.

"For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the government.... I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations."


- former President Harry Truman, 22 December 1963, one month after the JFK assassination, op-ed section of the Washington Post, early edition

My theory is as follows:

The USA got fucked. Billions spnd on intel. and defence failed.

9/11 was probably arranged as a pre-emptive strike to paralyze the US economy in an attempt to forestall or possibly even stop Bush's Iraq invasion and occupation plans.

As for possible explosive devices...it's impossible to know since all the material evidence has long since been sold to China for scrap.

Nevermind the first-hand testimonies of firefighters, audio/video , etc.

The most protected man in the world, in the most protected room in the world, couldn't get a blow job without you knowing about it.

But you think five thousand people are keeping a secret.

I'm surprised you can read and write.

HAL_9000 said:

My theory is as follows:

The USA got fucked. Billions spnd on intel. and defence failed.

9/11 was probably arranged as a pre-emptive strike to paralyze the US economy in an attempt to forestall or possibly even stop Bush's Iraq invasion and occupation plans.

As for possible explosive devices...it's impossible to know since all the material evidence has long since been sold to China for scrap.

Nevermind the first-hand testimonies of firefighters, audio/video , etc.

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None of the tens of thousands of people who worked in the WTC complex ever claimed to see explosives on the premises.

So much for the 9/11 Explosive Evidence!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tjs5ILNkJc

phrodeau said:

None of the tens of thousands of people who worked in the WTC complex ever claimed to see explosives on the premises.

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Strange, you think they would have noticed them on their desk.

Solid Muldoon said:

The most protected man in the world, in the most protected room in the world, couldn't get a blow job without you knowing about it.

But you think five thousand people are keeping a secret.

I'm surprised you can read and write.

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This may be the most awesome quote ever in regards to the "truthers".

123hot said:

Surely the fact that people aren't necessarily saying all acts of attrocity are false flags should add some, albeit minor, credibility to their viewpoint?

Actually, most people refer to Afghan in relation to 9/11. But we knew Sadam had WMD at some point cos we sold it to him. The war was justified on the basis that it may end up in the wrong hands linking directly back to 9/11.

9/11 is not alone however - a high ranking British cop determined 7/7 and 9/11 were false flag attacks. Until I saw his interview I never even considered 7/7 suspicious. Still haven't seen much evidence of it either.

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you don't wanna go believing 'a high-ranking british cop'. oh noes. name him. and it's still a load of twaddle.

Sonny Limatina said:

I hate to ask a dumb question in a dumb thread, but if it's a false-flag operation designed to allow the invasion of Iraq, why not plant evidence making it look like a bunch of Iraqis did it?

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there's that.

and why not simply say 'oh, look, the terrorists blew up our buildings with explosives'? nah, the tricksy buggers had to get planes and fly them into buildings.

Solid Muldoon said:

The most protected man in the world, in the most protected room in the world, couldn't get a blow job without you knowing about it.

But you think five thousand people are keeping a secret.

I'm surprised you can read and write.

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The NSA was able to hide their existence from the public for 40 years. Not a peep about this organisation employing tens of thousands, Not a single one of their staff spilling the beans to the public about it's existence.

The Mafia depends on secrecy, so do intelligence agencies, and many military operations. Secrets are easy to keep when someone can kill your family if you rock the boat, and offer you a very good paycheck for keeping quiet. Ideologies and beliefs are good motivators for secrecy too when required.

I'm surprised that you can pretend to know anything beyond what's reported on TV. Do you sit on your fat arse all day long and never bother to think for yourself, while yelling insults at everyone who dares to the question the government-propaganda so helpfully shovelled down your throat by Fox News?

Lovelynice said:

The NSA was able to hide their existence from the public for 40 years. Not a peep about this organisation employing tens of thousands, Not a single one of their staff spilling the beans to the public about it's existence.

The Mafia depends on secrecy, so do intelligence agencies, and many military operations. Secrets are easy to keep when someone can kill your family if you rock the boat, and offer you a very good paycheck for keeping quiet. Ideologies and beliefs are good motivators for secrecy too when required.

I'm surprised that you can pretend to know anything beyond what's reported on TV. Do you sit on your fat arse all day long and never bother to think for yourself, while yelling insults at everyone who dares to the question the government-propaganda so helpfully shovelled down your throat by Fox News?

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It certainly took you long enough to find this Alt's password and get busy posting in this thread.

However, you forgot to post in character and call him a 'shill'.