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JAMESBJOHNSON said:
Its time to send the Limeys a message.
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Sure, and try to explain to the US stockholders, Pension funds etc who hold 38% of the company (as opposed to the Brits with about 29%.

Xenophobic blame gaming is fine for politicians who barely know how to tie their own shoe laces but it doesn't solve anything in the real (Globalised) world.

Incidentally BP looks an interesting stock market punt at the moment Stock price is down some 30% or so from its pre event inflated price. The Rating Agencies have done their usual ploy of running after a stampede after it is already running which has helped panic the market

Broadly the options are :

1 If the well is fixed the stock goes up

2 If it isn't fixed, BP despite its size will become a takeover target (at a higher price).

If you have a few thou to play with it could be interesting, timing and ring fencing the downside is the tricky bit.

President Obama said yesterday that the Federal government had sent BP a bill for about $59 million so far. I wonder if anybody in BP would have enough balls to announce that they intend to prioritise payments to small business's and individuals first and Washington after that. Public reaction might be interesting.
 
People here are starting to link BP and the UK together when they talk about the mess in the Gulf. I suspect many Americans would be okay with dipping a few Limeys in the goo before sending them home. Tarring & feathering is an American tradition. We're seriously pissed off about what YOUR oil company did here.
 
“I ultimately take responsibility for solving this crisis,” he said May 28 in Louisiana, after meeting with local, state and federal officials. “The buck stops with me.” Barack Obozo.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
“I ultimately take responsibility for solving this crisis,” he said May 28 in Louisiana, after meeting with local, state and federal officials. “The buck stops with me.” Barack Obozo.
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You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about but you keep jabbering on an on. And not just on this thread but ever place you can find to take a dump.

Go take your fucking meds so the adults can actually have a conversation around here.

Jesus, what an idiot!
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
People here are starting to link BP and the UK together when they talk about the mess in the Gulf. I suspect many Americans would be okay with dipping a few Limeys in the goo before sending them home. Tarring & feathering is an American tradition. We're seriously pissed off about what YOUR oil company did here.
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"Our" oil company? Despite the name, it is a multinational. The ownership is with shareholders throughout the world, including many in the US.

What about the actual drilling company Halliburton? They were working for BP, but Halliburton is a US company based in Texas.

No doubt the lawyers and judges will eventually apportion blame, but who caused the accident? Halliburton or BP? Who broke the rules, if rules were broken? Was it the drilling company or the company that employed them?

The losers are not just those immediately affected by the massive oil spill, but all those who had shares, or whose pension company or investment bank had shares, in BP and Halliburton.

It isn't a few Limeys who will suffer, but millions of people, most of whom aren't Limeys.

Og
 
TEX

Seems to be lotsa experts who agree with me. I mean, I appreciate the fact that experts are personna non grata with Usual Suspects but the average American expects Obozo and his Eunuch Choir to sing a new song. NOT 'Its Impossible.'

It's impossible, tell the sun to leave the sky, it's just impossible
It's impossible, ask a baby not to cry, it's just impossible
Can I hold you closer to me and not feel you goin' through me?
Split the second that I never think of you? Oh, how impossible

Can Obozo keep the oil from rushin' to the shore? It's just impossible
If I had you, could I ever want for more? It's just impossible
And tomorrow, shouldya ask me for the world, somehow I'd get it
I would sell my very soul and not regret it
For to live without your love--It's just impossible

Can the Coast Guard keep the oil from rushin' to the shore? It's just impossible
If I had you, could I ever want for more? It's just impossible
And tomorrow, shouldya ask me for the world, somehow I'd get it
I would sell my very soul and not regret it
For to live without your love--It's just impossible

Impossible, immmmmm-impossible
 
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oggbashan said:
"Our" oil company? Despite the name, it is a multinational. The ownership is with shareholders throughout the world, including many in the US.

What about the actual drilling company Halliburton? They were working for BP, but Halliburton is a US company based in Texas.

No doubt the lawyers and judges will eventually apportion blame, but who caused the accident? Halliburton or BP? Who broke the rules, if rules were broken? Was it the drilling company or the company that employed them?

The losers are not just those immediately affected by the massive oil spill, but all those who had shares, or whose pension company or investment bank had shares, in BP and Halliburton.

It isn't a few Limeys who will suffer, but millions of people, most of whom aren't Limeys.

Og
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Thanks, Ogg.
I have been trying to find a way of "not responding to the idiot troll" but you have beaten me to it and written it far better than I could.
 
oggbashan said:
"Our" oil company? Despite the name, it is a multinational. The ownership is with shareholders throughout the world, including many in the US.

What about the actual drilling company Halliburton? They were working for BP, but Halliburton is a US company based in Texas.

No doubt the lawyers and judges will eventually apportion blame, but who caused the accident? Halliburton or BP? Who broke the rules, if rules were broken? Was it the drilling company or the company that employed them?

The losers are not just those immediately affected by the massive oil spill, but all those who had shares, or whose pension company or investment bank had shares, in BP and Halliburton.

It isn't a few Limeys who will suffer, but millions of people, most of whom aren't Limeys.

Og
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The drilling company is not Halliburton but it is an American company.
 
Its a Limey on the teevee whining about wanting his life back.

The news sez Obozo's on his way to Louisiana to kick Mister Limeys ass. FURIOUS they call Obama.
 
Handley_Page said:
Thanks, Ogg.
I have been trying to find a way of "not responding to the idiot troll" but you have beaten me to it and written it far better than I could.
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Youre wise. America is not happy with you ass-clowns in the UK. Limey Land took a major shit in America's parlor and we're not happy with you.

A Democrat pol was on the teevee advocating going to war with Britain so we can hand you pissants to the Germans for some discipline.
 
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oggbashan said:
"Our" oil company? Despite the name, it is a multinational. The ownership is with shareholders throughout the world, including many in the US.

What about the actual drilling company Halliburton? They were working for BP, but Halliburton is a US company based in Texas.

It isn't a few Limeys who will suffer, but millions of people, most of whom aren't Limeys.

Og
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Wait. BP, headquartered in London is somehow less British and is "multinational," and Halliburton, headquartered in both Houston and Dubai, is somehow a US company?

One is no more or less multinational than the other. Shareholders of both companies, no doubt, reside all over the world.

And was Halliburton the actual drilling company? Thought that was Transocean?:confused:
 
oggbashan said:
"Our" oil company? Despite the name, it is a multinational. The ownership is with shareholders throughout the world, including many in the US.

What about the actual drilling company ?
No doubt the lawyers and judges will eventually apportion blame, but who caused the accident?
Was it the drilling company or the company that employed them?

Og
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JAMESBJOHNSON said:
Youre wise. America is not happy with you ass-clowns in the UK. Limey Land took a major shit in America's parlor and we're not happy with you.
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Oh James, please get your logic right before going off half-cocked. Have you been watching some ill-informed junior news channel ?
 
Handley_Page said:
Oh James, please get your logic right before going off half-cocked. Have you been watching some ill-informed junior news channel ?
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Things are beyond logic and reason. The villain's first name is BRITISH.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
People here are starting to link BP and the UK together when they talk about the mess in the Gulf. I suspect many Americans would be okay with dipping a few Limeys in the goo before sending them home. Tarring & feathering is an American tradition. We're seriously pissed off about what YOUR oil company did here.
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Yeah, the Spinmeisters at BP are doing their best to exploit American jingoism and xenophobia in their attempt to pin the blame on a bunch of suspicious foreigners in the UK. As if it's not the corporation's fault, but the fault of some effete soccer-addled twits who somehow got their tea-stained fingers on the reins of power.

The message they're trying to send is: an American corporation would never fuck up like this because our Big Oil corporations are Good. It was those damned swishy foreigners and their rotten socialist ways!

Hell, if another administration were in power, we'd probably be drawing up invasion plans. Nothing like a nice little war to divert public attention from the real fuck-ups.
 
But BP fucked up NOT anyone else. More! Its an epic fuck up. It wins 1st prize.

And its CEO gnome is over here whining about his inconvenience, and pissing off the President with his BS. In the meantime the shit is washing up everywhere and lotsa people are about to lose their jobs cuz of BRITISH PETROLEUM.
 
driphoney said:
Wait. BP, headquartered in London is somehow less British and is "multinational," and Halliburton, headquartered in both Houston and Dubai, is somehow a US company?

One is no more or less multinational than the other. Shareholders of both companies, no doubt, reside all over the world.

And was Halliburton the actual drilling company? Thought that was Transocean?:confused:
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You are right. It was Transocean:

Over the years, Transocean has moved its incorporation location to take advantage of lower taxes in some jurisdictions. It was originally incorporated in the US state of Delaware, but it moved its incorporation to the Cayman Islands in 1999. In 2008, it moved its incorporation to the canton of Zug, Switzerland, where it currently is incorporated. Only 12 of its employees work in the Zug office, according to a company spokesperson. The incorporation move allowed Transocean to lower its corporate income tax rate from 35% in the US, to 16% in Zug.

So, are you going to invade Switzerland?

More from Wikipedia:

Transocean employs over 25,000 people worldwide, and has a fleet of 139 offshore drilling units and three ultra-deepwater units under construction as of April 2010. The company is based in Vernier, Switzerland, near Geneva, and it has offices in 20 countries, including major offices in Switzerland, US, Norway, Scotland, Brazil, Indonesia and Malaysia. Transocean positions itself as a powerful company doing the impossible based on its motto of “we’re never out of our depth." The firm’s website is Deepwater.com, to emphasize its deepwater expertise, and that it owns nearly half of the 50 or so deepwater platforms in the world.


"we're never out of our depth"? Ironic, isn't it?

More on BP:

Contributions to political campaigns
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, BP is the United States' hundredth largest donor to political campaigns, having contributed more than US$5 million since 1990, 72% and 28% of which went to Republican and Democratic recipients, respectively. BP has lobbied to gain exemptions from U.S. corporate law reforms. Additionally, BP paid the Podesta Group, a Washington, D.C.-based lobbying firm, $160,000 in the first half of 2007 to manage its congressional and government relations.

In February 2002 BP's chief executive, Lord Browne of Madingley, renounced the practice of corporate campaign contributions, noting: "That's why we've decided, as a global policy, that from now on we will make no political contributions from corporate funds anywhere in the world."

Despite this, in 2009 BP used nearly US$16 million to lobby US Congress, breaking the company's previous record (from 2008) of US$10.4 million.


Og
 
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dr_mabeuse said:
The message they're trying to send is: an American corporation would never fuck up like this because our Big Oil corporations are Good. It was those damned swishy foreigners and their rotten socialist ways!
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For that strategy to work we would all have to develop amnesia re: Union Carbide.
 
soflabbwlvr said:
For that strategy to work we would all have to develop amnesia re: Union Carbide.
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Not at all, after all, Union Carbide was a swishy foreigner in Bopal. Everyone's a foreigner somewhere. And it is so much nicer to blame an outsider. How about the Congress that accepted the "lobbying?" Didn't they make certain exemptions for the oil companies?
 

BP has a very substantial percentage of U.S. owners because of the large acquisitions of Amoco ( formerly Standard Oil of Indiana ) and Arco ( Atlantic Richfield Company ) both of which were accomplished through the issuance of BP shares. BP shares are widely held by American individuals, endowments, employee benefit funds and state and municipal pension funds.


BP commenced its acquisition of substantial U.S. assets by negotiating an investment in Sohio in the late '60s, then completing the cash acquistion of the company in the mid '80s. With Sohio, BP acquired an interest in Alaska's Prudhoe Bay and other North Slope prospects.


Winston Churchill was one of the prime movers behind the capitalization of what eventually became BP during the first decades of the 20th century. The company was originally called the Anglo-Persian Oil Company. Churchill wanted to secure a source of petroleum for the British Navy, which had recently converted its fleet from coal-fired boilers to oil-fired ( see Robert K. Massie's Dreadnought for a riveting account of the naval arms race that preceded World War I ). Anglo-Persian acquired a concession covering a vast area and developed the oil fields of Iran. Churchill arranged for a large investment in the company by the government in 1913. The British government disposed of its last holdings in 1987.


There are idiots who are politcizing this accident. Its one reason I really, really hate political junkies. The morons who by some kind of twisted, whacko logic attempt to paint this as an Obama problem are as stupid as the Obama crowd's politically-motivated decision to impose a drilling moratorium. Both are moronic.

 
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TRYSAIL

The Gulf is fucked up, ass-clown, and BRITISH PETROLEUM did it. I say lets dip your lily-white ass in the chocolate colored goo and make a BP-ESKIMO PIE outta you.
 
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Apparently responding to the left wing of his party, Mr. Obama did not (and has yet to) consider the consequences of this hastily conceived order. Here are but a few of the implications;

 Potentially 250,000 workers will be affected. These are premium jobs, averaging almost $100,000 in annual salary – the largest source of employment on the Louisiana and Texas Gulf Coast. Many of these families also work in the fishing/oyster/shrimp businesses and live in homes damaged by Hurricane Katrina.

 The 35 rigs affected will either be idled or move abroad under their continuing contracts. When a drillship or semi-submersible moves to South America or the Eastern Hemisphere, it will be unlikely to return immediately, once (and if) the moratorium is removed.

 U.S. oil production, and balance of payments, will eventually be impacted by a shut down. As this offshore oil represents about 1.8MM bpd, and faces an average 30% annual decline rate, we can expect about 600,000 bpd less production for every year this is enforced. At $70/bbl, that adds $15 B to the country’s imports and negative balance of payments. With potential loss of 250,000 jobs @ $100,000 per year, this is another $25 B of lost taxable income. The government would also lose $2 B from its 12.5% royalties on offshore production.

 A significant number of congressmen and senators want to extend the deep water drilling moratorium well beyond year-end, and maybe permanently. Representatives from both ___ and ___ recounted meetings in Washington last week where this view was expressed with virtually no interest expressed about the economic consequences of such a decision. Among those cited were Secretary of Interior Salazar who repeated his hyperbolic comment “boots on the neck of the oil industry” as if it were a new mantra for the Administration.
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When the shitwits at BP (and others) get a clue about how to drill for oil professionally then maybe they can leave time-out.

TRYSAIL seems to believe that oil companies have a license to piss in the punchbowl and immunity from consequences. He wants BPs victims to bail them out. He's one more corporate welfare stooge.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
When the shitwits at BP (and others) get a clue about how to drill for oil professionally then maybe they can leave time-out.

TRYSAIL seems to believe that oil companies have a license to piss in the punchbowl and immunity from consequences. He wants BPs victims to bail them out. He's one more corporate welfare stooge.
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Nah. I'm against stupid and there's too much of that on the loose these days. This spill is, unfortunately, a gift from heaven for the crazies and the innumerates.

Ten years from now, nobody will remember that it ever happened.

 
trysail said:


...Ten years from now, nobody will remember that it ever happened.
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Tell that to the state of Louisiana, and then turn around and run. You might want to be wearing your bullet proof vest.
 
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