I was thinking in terms of annexation.
One is pleased to jest. If America were comfortable with permanently Spanish-speaking, Latin-Catholic-culture territory, Puerto Rico would be a state by now.
There will be war.
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One is pleased to jest. If America were comfortable with permanently Spanish-speaking, Latin-Catholic-culture territory, Puerto Rico would be a state by now.
Oh, well, if we're talking in national-collective terms, then Cuba owes the U.S. nothing and less than nothing; if anything, we owe them. From 1898 to 1959 Cuba was a de facto American protectorate, a situation kept in place mainly so American corporations could do whatever they hell they wanted there, and what they did was rarely good for the Cubans. If you have forgotten that, be assured the Cubans have not.
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Blame America first, the KO mantra.
From somebody who is clueless.
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Puerto Rico does not want to be a state or their Welfare would be regulated.
"Respond to your opponent's earnestness with jesting and to his jesting with earnestness."
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What?! We'll never make peace with any undefeated enemy if we're going to be as petty as that!
Blame America first, the KO mantra.
I'm sure even you would agree that there are some situations where America's "enemies" are more sinned against than sinning.
The current state of U.S.-Russian relations is one of those.
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Of course it's petty. Cuba's "former intentions" are irrelevant at a point in history when they are clearly helpless to do us harm. They owe the U.S. nothing, nothing at all, for what they "stole." And dropping the embargo is not "allowing" them to "partake of our largess," it is simply removing an artificial governmental barrier (the kind of thing you seem to hate so much) to free international trade. A barrier all the other industrialized democracies have dropped already. Cuba doesn't need trade with the U.S. But it would be mutually beneficial, so why not allow it?
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What happened to Obama's Pakistani war he was forever promising us?
Is that yet another promise he's dropped the ball on?
Is that yet another promise he's dropped the ball on?
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What happened to Obama's Pakistani war he was forever promising us?
Is that yet another promise he's dropped the ball on?
Shouldn't he finish 1 war first?
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Ah, jesting. Now you're getting the hang of it.
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Come, now, one is no more compelled to choose between them than between a sausage and a rose. Their purposes scarcely intersect. (Though Howard did do at least one Cthulhu Mythos story, IIRC.)
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I can't help thinking it's a good thing other countries don't respond to us this way. The Shah of Iran immediately leaps to mind, along with the Panama Canal and innumerable CIA-engineered coups d'etat. The whole world would give us the cold shoulder.
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You still don't get it. Cuba can do biz. with anyone in the world. Anyone except the US. Yet according to you and the other leftist whackos not being able to do buisness with the US is the only thing that is stopping them from becoming the 'workers paradise' the left has wet dreams over. Yet when I ask the question, "Just what is it that the US can provide that no other nation on the face of the earth can?" I get no rational answer. That being the case, I have to assume that Cuba is nothing more than a symbolic straw man for the leftist clowns.
And if Cuba wants to have normal relations with the US, all they have to do is pay for the shit they stole, with interest of course. Neither men nor governements should have relations with unrepentent thieves.
Beyond the symbolic value of Cuba to the left, it has no value whatsoever. Unless Russia wants to station strategic bombers there and then it has value as a strategic target.
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Turd, war 1 IS over, Obama is just pretending it's not while he tries to figure out what to do with the "right" war...
When we near the election, he plans to take credit for ending war 1 to cover the fact that he's done nothing about the right war because he keeps changing his damned mind depending on who he talked to last.
When we near the election, he plans to take credit for ending war 1 to cover the fact that he's done nothing about the right war because he keeps changing his damned mind depending on who he talked to last.
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What did they steal exactly? A bunch of mob owned casinos??
Not at all. I think you'll find few American leftists are Stalinists. When we talk of "socialism," if we do, Castro's Cuba is not the model we have in mind, and we hope for real multi-party democracy there.
Dropping the embargo, in fact, would destabilize the government more than keeping it in place has done, as it would increase Cubans' cultural and social exposure to America and capitalism, and make them slightly more prosperous -- and when poor people get a little bit prosperous, that's when they start demanding more.
But as for what comes next -- well, it won't be like what happened in Eastern Europe after the USSR fell. The Cuban people, I am convinced, given a free democratic choice, are still going to want socialism in some form or other. And if they want it, they are entitled to have it.
Cuba owes America nothing.
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