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Ulaven_Demorte said:
Not a single person has come forward with an attack of conscience, one of the hundreds or thousands that would be needed to plan and execute an operation of that size. Not a single person.

Do you think maybe 'they' had them all executed? hey, maybe they were packed onto the planes that hit the towers.
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Lies. What about the MILLIONS of people who were involved in "The Manhattan Project"?

How was that kept secret? It was successfully kept a secret, even though MASSIVE amounts of planning, effort, contstruction, and people were involved.

It's a simple concept called "compartmentalization".
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
Crazynice is very Anti-American
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Define 'anti-american' for us.

LT asked, now I'm asking,

I don't see anything 'anti-american' about LN in any way. She attacks lies. Attacking lies is not 'anti-american'. She attacks liars. Attacking liars like you is not 'anti-american'. She bemoans the weakening of the Constitution of the USA, and critizes you lot for cheering that erosion. Defending the Constitution of the USA is not 'anti-american'.

Define 'anti-american' for us.
 
Veryknowing said:
Define 'anti-american' for us.

LT asked, now I'm asking,

I don't see anything 'anti-american' about LN in any way. She attacks lies. Attacking lies is not 'anti-american'. She attacks liars. Attacking liars like you is not 'anti-american'. She bemoans the weakening of the Constitution of the USA, and critizes you lot for cheering that erosion. Defending the Constitution of the USA is not 'anti-american'.

Define 'anti-american' for us.
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Quite Ironic in a way, is it not?

It goes back to my theory that Freedom is contagious. She caught the Freedom Bug! Like much of Japan.
 
TurdFergeson said:
Lies. What about the MILLIONS of people who were involved in "The Manhattan Project"?

How was that kept secret? It was successfully kept a secret, even though MASSIVE amounts of planning, effort, contstruction, and people were involved.

It's a simple concept called "compartmentalization".
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Someone had to do the actual work of putting all of those charges in the towers, precut support I-beams. All of the usual prep work for an implosion if this Theory is to be believed.

Not a single person has come forward and confessed to being involved. You're saying that the workers putting those supposed charges and precutting support structures had no idea what was going on even after the fact?

Seriously?
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
Someone had to do the actual work of putting all of those charges in the towers, precut support I-beams. All of the usual prep work for an implosion if this Theory is to be believed.

Not a single person has come forward and confessed to being involved. You're saying that the workers putting those supposed charges and precutting support structures had no idea what was going on even after the fact?

Seriously?
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Nothing had to be "pre-cut". This would have been FAR from a "standard" demo.

And all the "security upgrade" workers were probably foreigners who didn't even speak English. Not to mention a crew of 10 could have set all the charges in the time spent doing "secuity and data cable upgrades".

Have you no creativity?
 
Veryknowing said:
Define 'anti-american' for us.

LT asked, now I'm asking,

I don't see anything 'anti-american' about LN in any way. She attacks lies. Attacking lies is not 'anti-american'. She attacks liars. Attacking liars like you is not 'anti-american'. She bemoans the weakening of the Constitution of the USA, and critizes you lot for cheering that erosion. Defending the Constitution of the USA is not 'anti-american'.

Define 'anti-american' for us.
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Of course you don't see anything Anti-American about Crazynice. Just as members of a cult don't really see that they are being duped into believing utter nonsense and giving away everything they have to a headcase. You've bought the entire "The American government is being controlled by a shadow organization that staged the attacks on 9/11" complete line of bullshit.

It makes it so clean that way. it's not the American people who are bad, just the government. Except that America is a democracy, a government "of the people, by the people".

As an American I can bitch and moan about my government as much as I want. I have an active stake, and a say in how it's run.

Reminds me of an old movie (paraphrased)
"I can call my wife a bitch all I want, but you damned well better keep your comments to yourself or you'll get a fist upside the head."
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
What a fucking joke.

Not a single point you stated there is even remotely true.
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A)
I said: You and your *ahem* "wife" are fucking racists. And you're both lying sacks of shit.

Racism: Proof #1:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=23475259&postcount=13
I have a black brother in law. He says "I hate fucking niggers." To him, nigger is a state of mind. I've gotta say, you match his idea of nigger.

Racism: Proof #2:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24748465&postcount=762
Just keep on underestimating people and painting yourself as the super-secret badass assassin.. He dodges bullets, he's invisible.. It's the Negro Ninja! (Why is it that UD just HAD to go out of his way to make my race an issue in his response? Hmm?)

Lies:
Proof :
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=23475259&postcount=13
I think you're racist because you bring race into every...single...conversation...and I don't give a rat's ass what your race is.

B)
I said:
You issue death threats without any provocation.

Proof:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24547589&postcount=377
I am however, not as forgiving as my wife. I definitely wish you ill will because of the things you have said about her and our children and would definitely cause you harm should you ever attempt the sort of shit you say that you did at that "dojo" with me. (Do note that up to this point, I never did say I would do anything violent to UD - this was without any provocation on my part)

C)
I said:
You excuse other racists, claiming I "goaded" them.

Proof:
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24468160&postcount=267
Yes, because providing context means that you approve of the message.... Obviously.

When you finally do get what you want, which is to goad someone into making an off color or racist comment toward you then you get to spew your own racial vitriol while feeling completely justified.

You constantly try to bait people you KNOW to have bigoted, racist tendencies into calling you a "nigger" so that you can respond in kind. Ishmael on the GB for example. You constantly try to bait him into conflict when you know exactly where it's going to go. You go in spoiling for a fight and you get exactly what you expected, and then get to feel righteous in your own use of racial slurs because "He said it first mom!"

What would a rational person call that sort of behavior I wonder.

D)
I said:
You try to win people to your cause by deceptive means.

And I am not the only one who noticed that. Note that no one came to Ulaven Demorte's defense once this was spoken - not one person.
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24288837&postcount=18
No, actually, you were doing no such thing. You were fudging the facts about the situation in order to get our support. By giving us a one-sided and incorrect explanation of the situation (i.e. hiding the identities, etc.) you pretty much made sure you could say, "Nah, Nah! See I was right! My poll proves it!"

Which makes you far less of an adult than the person who retaliated.

And that pisses me off. Do NOT use us to win your arguments. Do not give us polls that are based on twisted facts and incomplete information. You just made the results of this poll worthless--and you made, me, at least, feel badly used.

That said, my position stands. There are other, better ways to retaliate. BUT if YOU have let people use racial slurs against someone without protest, and ONLY when that person retaliates with a racial slur that YOU don't like do you start up such a poll, then you really haven't much of a leg to stand on. You either are unequivocally against racial slurs however they are used and whenever they are used--and you protest against them, unequivocally, or you let them pass even when they finally offend you. You can't have it both ways.

And that is the ultimate answer to this argument. Now if you're really an adult, you'll apologize for using us so shamelessly, and BOTH OF YOU will take this argument elsewhere. I don't know about the GB boards, but I don't think any of the authors here want to play mom and dad to your childishness. Enough with the fucking name calling! If you can't play nice, get off the internet.
Also note: UD and his "wife" were REPEATEDLY spanked by others in that thread, and after this point, had no supporters AT ALL.

If UD calls me a liar here, he is free to show where he was getting any defenders after that point.

E)
I said:
You accuse people of being Anti-American when they believe in something you think is wrong.

Proof:
That happened right here in this thread.
So far you've tossed in your load with Crazynice the Anti-American Conspiracy theorist (also veryknowing among a myriad of others) and LT. This does not speak highly of your intelligence level.
 
Ulaven_Demorteow said:
It makes it so clean that way. it's not the American people who are bad, just the government. Except that America is a democracy, a government "of the people, by the people".
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Extreme polarized thinking.

The ENTIRE government did it?

Impossible. Plus, who's to say a foreign mercenary organization didn't do it?
 
TurdFergeson said:
Nothing had to be "pre-cut". This would have been FAR from a "standard" demo.

And all the "security upgrade" workers were probably foreigners who didn't even speak English. Not to mention a crew of 10 could have set all the charges in the time spent doing "secuity and data cable upgrades".

Have you no creativity?
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I see, so this was a new innovative implosion technique. No real prep work, just drop some charges in and viola!

The work was all done by foreigners who spoke no English at the behest of a small group of powerful conservatives?

Ever heard of Occam's Razor?
 
LovingTongue said:
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I knew I could count on the huge C&P load of bullshit. predictable. :rolleyes:

We've gone through this a hundred times or more LT.

You're full of shit.
You take everything you can out of context and when that doesn't work you make shit up.

Just look at the results in the thread you referenced where I had "no support at all"..

over 90% against your position of being justified in your racist remarks,.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
Ever heard of Occam's Razor?
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So, according to you, a group of Arabs , at the behest of Bin Laden, cooked up this plan, entered the USA, and stayed in US Military housing in Florida, took flight lessons (but never wanted to land), drank budweiser and visited a strip club days before their attack, then took over 4 aircraft, disabled those aircraft's anti-hijcking systems and transponders, and EXPERTLY flew the aircraft to their final suicidal destination. All by using box cutters?

You consider THAT to be a "simple" explanation?
 
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Ulaven_Demorte said:
Of course you don't see anything Anti-American about Crazynice. Just as members of a cult don't really see that they are being duped into believing utter nonsense and giving away everything they have to a headcase. You've bought the entire "The American government is being controlled by a shadow organization that staged the attacks on 9/11" complete line of bullshit.
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So making wild accusations about the US Government = hating America?

I guess "I love my country and fear my Government" is pretty anti-American in your neck of the woods, eh?

It makes it so clean that way. it's not the American people who are bad, just the government. Except that America is a democracy, a government "of the people, by the people".

As an American I can bitch and moan about my government as much as I want. I have an active stake, and a say in how it's run.

Reminds me of an old movie (paraphrased)
"I can call my wife a bitch all I want, but you damned well better keep your comments to yourself or you'll get a fist upside the head."
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Let's look at Ulaven Demented's logic:

1) Lovelynice accused the 2001 Bush-run and Republican-run Government of highly treasonous behavior, and of mass murder.
2) America is a democracy, a government "of the people, by the people".
3) Ergo, accusing the 2001 Bush-run and Republican-run Government of treason and mass murder, is the same as hating America.

The "accuse the Government of treason = hating America" argument that UD is pushing is idiotic enough without considering the fact that Lovelynice's accusations are aimed primarily at the right wing anti-freedom faction who would be TOTALLY motivated to pull the conspiracy she's alleging happened.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
I knew I could count on the huge C&P load of bullshit. predictable. :rolleyes:

We've gone through this a hundred times or more LT.

You're full of shit.
You take everything you can out of context and when that doesn't work you make shit up.
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I did neither. All I did was post your quotes. Now it is up to you to admit once again that you are not man enough to take responsibility for what you said.

Just look at the results in the thread you referenced where I had "no support at all"..

over 90% against your position of being justified in your racist remarks,.
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Wrong. They judged your "wife" Recidiva by your own standards and found "her" to be guilty of hurling racial slurs. They repeatedly said you are the bigger scumbag by far. And no one disagreed.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24526655&postcount=551
1.Recidiva called or suggested that Loving Tongue is a "nigger" in some literal or metaphoric sense*. Recidiva refuses to apologize. That is a measure of her stature. Once again, no one disagreed with this assessment.
 
TurdFergeson said:
Good point,

and there is NO alternative? Or alternatives available?

That seems a bit one-sided.
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Seems a bit one-sided? In what way?
There are alternatives. They are more expensive and won't get you where you want to go in as efficient a manner. Will it always be that way? I don't think so.
But I see no point in having all of the United States suffer by not using Middle East oil.
 
Ham Murabi said:
Seems a bit one-sided? In what way?
There are alternatives. They are more expensive and won't get you where you want to go in as efficient a manner. Will it always be that way? I don't think so.
But I see no point in having all of the United States suffer by not using Middle East oil.
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We already are suffering by using it. We're one embargo or major price spike away from suffering A LOT MORE.
 
Ham Murabi said:
Seems a bit one-sided? In what way?
There are alternatives. They are more expensive and won't get you where you want to go in as efficient a manner. Will it always be that way? I don't think so.
But I see no point in having all of the United States suffer by not using Middle East oil.
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Those "efficiency" figures you mention, conspicuously leave out the cost of pollution to society.

Not to mention all the additives, like Benzene, they add to Gasoline, which causes birth defects and cancers.

When these variables are added to the overall efficiency equation, alternative green fuels seem MUCH more attractive and actually more "efficient".
 
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LovingTongue said:
We already are suffering by using it. We're one embargo or major price spike away from suffering A LOT MORE.
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Oops I forgot to add the Political Price that must be paid in the overall "efficiency" equation.

Hmmmm...interesting FACT:

HONDA CHAIRMAN TAKEO FUKUI

"Even the best internal-combustion engines still waste more than 80% of the energy created by burning gasoline."

—Reported in Wall Street Journal
July 25th, 2005


Gasoline engines WASTE 80% of the gasoline right out the TAILPIPE? That has to be good for the enviroment, as well.
 
TurdFergeson said:
Those "efficiency" figures you mention, conspicuously leave out the cost of pollution to society.

To to mention all the additives, like Benzene, they add to Gasoline, which causes birth defects and cancers.

When these variables are added to the overall efficiency equation, alternative green fuels seem MUCH more attractive and actually more "efficient".
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<Ham Murabi>
Gasoline additives don't cause cancer. My mom drank the stuff straight when she was pregnant. Hell, I live next to clean burning coal plants, and look how I turned out!
</Ham Murabi>
 
LovingTongue said:
<Ham Murabi>
Gasoline additives don't cause cancer. My mom drank the stuff straight when she was pregnant. Hell, I live next to clean burning coal plants, and look how I turned out!
</Ham Murabi>
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hahaha and 5 legged defect toads up in Minnesota are TASTY!
 
LovingTongue said:
We already are suffering by using it. We're one embargo or major price spike away from suffering A LOT MORE.
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So we suffer not at all by not buying it?
You are significantly retarded.
 
Ham Murabi said:
So we suffer not at all by not buying it?
You are significantly retarded.
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Allow me to describe this in a way that relates to your lifestyle.

Our dependency on Middle Eastern oil is like your meth addiction. Withdrawal hurts but ultimately it's good for you.

The question is how fast do we need to kick the habit.

I say we take the painful route before the meth dealer suddenly cuts off your supply.
 
Ham Murabi said:
So we suffer not at all by not buying it?
You are significantly retarded.
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How do we suffer by not buying it?

OBVIOUSLY not buying it would neccessitate a MASSIVE change of energy policy beforehand.

I think a good analogy is a heart attack patient, who LOVES McDonalds.

McDonald's is close by, cheap, and always open.

But, if they keep eating it every day, they will die.

So, does it make more sense for them to spend a little more on healthy food, which may be a bit harder to get, and "suffer", or take the easy route and die, but at least have convenience?

Come on.
 
LovingTongue said:
Allow me to describe this in a way that relates to your lifestyle.

Our dependency on Middle Eastern oil is like your meth addiction. Withdrawal hurts but ultimately it's good for you.

The question is how fast do we need to kick the habit.

I say we take the painful route before the meth dealer suddenly cuts off your supply.
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whoa man...were we separated at birth?

:p
 
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