Are you ever "justified" in using a racial slur?

If called a racial slur, does that make it right to retaliate with one as well?

  • Yes, retaliatory use of racial slurs is acceptable

    Votes: 4 6.9%
  • No, use of racial epithets is never justified retaliatory or not

    Votes: 53 91.4%
  • I'm not sure / other: elaborate in a post if you wish

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Total voters
    58
Recidiva said:
And I keep hearing this from you and correcting your flawed assumptions.
You keep lying to cover your own ass.

I've no doubt that just as you started this fight with me by calling me a nigger via sockpuppet, I'll hear you reaching for your knife just as soon as I heed English Lady's advice.

As for your alt UD? When you revert to that personality tell "him" that he can take his "morals" and shove them up his ass. I fight fire with fire. Got a problem with that? Take it up with someone who's listening. I'm not.
 
LovingTongue said:
You keep lying to cover your own ass.

I've no doubt that just as you started this fight with me by calling me a nigger via sockpuppet, I'll hear you reaching for your knife just as soon as I heed English Lady's advice.

As for your alt UD? When you revert to that personality tell "him" that he can take his "morals" and shove them up his ass. I fight fire with fire. Got a problem with that? Take it up with someone who's listening. I'm not.

No, I'm not lying. I'm just disagreeing with you.

My husband is not my alt. My husband knows that if you follow through on your previous pattern of insane behavior and decide to show up in real life, as you did at the hallowed dojo, he's the one that answers the door.
 
English Lady said:
At church today I thought of this thread, and the whole blessed be the peacemakers thing.


Why not try it. Forgive and make your peace. All you do by hanging on to such things is make yourself bitter and ill.


let it go.

Yes.

Liar said:
Aw geeze, is this crap still going on?

Pretty much what I said yesterday.
 
Recidiva said:
Surely you know my capacity for a never ending thread.
Not gonna stop you.

If you want something, I'm five threads to the left, discussing porn.

Toodles.
 
Liar said:
Not gonna stop you.

If you want something, I'm five threads to the left, discussing porn.

Toodles.

The question is, if you're commenting on this thread, have you read the thread?

I realize pron's more important though.

This thread however is near and dear to my daily experience, so you don't mind if I continue on in my merry way?
 
English Lady said:
At church today I thought of this thread, and the whole blessed be the peacemakers thing.


Why not try it. Forgive and make your peace. All you do by hanging on to such things is make yourself bitter and ill.


let it go.

*chuckle*

Just as soon as anyone stops responding to LT's "facts" the end zone dance begins.

How many times should one turn the other cheek? Recidiva has ignored this raving loon several times, it doesn't stop him. He just keeps right on posting bullshit, spreading lies, flooding every post he manages to find with his tripe, etc. and when he gets no response he's won and you're a coward for not refuting his obviously true allegations.

Trying to be the better person and doing the Christian thing only encourages him.

You know this. It's demonstrable fact.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
*chuckle*

Just as soon as anyone stops responding to LT's "facts" the end zone dance begins.

How many times should one turn the other cheek? Recidiva has ignored this raving loon several times, it doesn't stop him. He just keeps right on posting bullshit, spreading lies, flooding every post he manages o find with his tripe, etc. and when he gets no response he's won and you're a coward for not refuting his obviously true allegations.

Trying to be the better person and doing the Christian thing only encourages him.

You know this. It's demonstrable fact.

Does that matter?

If he bothers you so much, put him on ignore, and go about your day.
 
cloudy said:
Does that matter?

If he bothers you so much, put him on ignore, and go about your day.

But it's not bothering me. He wants to bother me. I just continue on speaking to him as if he were any other poster.

I'm far beyond being irritated. I'm used to this by now.

It's other people that get irritated and are welcome to put him on ignore. You can also put me AND him on ignore.

But to say the entire thing isn't worth discussion is...what, exactly, if not taking your own advice of ignoring the thread or ignoring the poster?
 
Recidiva said:
The question is, if you're commenting on this thread, have you read the thread?
Not the entire thing, no. The last two pages of it told me all I need to know. The same Internet Tough Guy one-upmanship hullabaloo that I've seen a hundred times before.
I realize pron's more important though.
Not really. Just that I've got my own problems and I don't need y'all's. And it's not that you really need my help, right? :)
This thread however is near and dear to my daily experience, so you don't mind if I continue on in my merry way?
By all means.
 
Liar said:
Not the entire thing, no. The last two pages of it told me all I need to know. The same Internet Tough Guy one-upmanship hullabaloo that I've seen a hundred times before.
Not really. Just that I've got my own problems and I don't need y'all's. And it's not that you really need my help, right? :)
By all means.

Uh huh.

It's interesting to see how many people rush into the room like a mom banging on the door. "YOU KIDS STOP ALL THAT RACKET"

Never mind what's actually going on.

"Parents are not interested in justice, they want quiet!" - Bill Cosby

No, I don't need your help. Your inattention is fine. Your condescension not so much.
 
cloudy said:
Does that matter?

If he bothers you so much, put him on ignore, and go about your day.

Yes, and meanwhile he goes about his merry way slandering both myself and my wife for daring to disagree with him about his use of retaliatory racism. This is the actual point of contention here.

Nope, sorry.

I'll bump this thread forever. I love seeing him defend that position over and over. It makes me smile every time he tries to berate someone else for the same behavior he displays.
If it bothers you then I would suggest you stop reading it. The AH isn't so busy that activity on a single thread is bumping aside whatever it is you do want to read.

I'm sure the "Last person to post here wins " threads aren't difficult to locate. The people who run into a thread and declare that everyone should stop talking fucking crack me up. So stop reading, stop bumping the thread with "Stop talking about this!". Put me on ignore, whatever. I really could care less.

Running into a room and just yelling at everyone to "Shut up and play nice." isn't really helpful. If you can manage to stop LT's little years long crusade of lies and slander I'd be more than happy to oblige, good luck with that.
 
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Ulaven_Demorte said:
Yes, and meanwhile he goes about his merry way slandering both myself and my wife for daring to disagree with him about his use of retaliatory racism. This is the actual point of contention here.

Nope, sorry.

I'll bump this thread forever. I love seeing him defend that position over and over. It makes me smile every time he tries to berate someone else for the same behavior he displays.
If it bothers you then I would suggest you stop reading it. The AH isn't so busy that activity on a single thread is bumping aside whatever it is you do want to read.

I'm sure the "Last person to post here wins " threads aren't difficult to locate. The people who run into a thread and declare that everyone should stop talking fucking crack me up. So stop reading, stop bumping the thread with "Stop talking about this!". Put me on ignore, whatever. I really could care less.

Running into a room and just yelling at everyone to "Shut up and play nice." isn't really helpful. If you can manage to stop LT's little years long crusade of lies and slander I'd be more than happy to oblige, good luck with that.

I wasn't being an ass, so I would appreciate you not treating me that way.
 
Recidiva said:
Uh huh.

It's interesting to see how many people rush into the room like a mom banging on the door. "YOU KIDS STOP ALL THAT RACKET"

Never mind what's actually going on.

"Parents are not interested in justice, they want quiet!" - Bill Cosby

No, I don't need your help. Your inattention is fine. Your condescension not so much.
Condescendsion? And this ^^ is not?

Racket all you want. I'm not your mom and you're free to do whatever you please. But don't tag opinions and attitudes on me that I don't have and haven't displayed.

Right.

*exit stage left*
 
Liar said:
Condescendsion? And this ^^ is not?

Racket all you want. But don't tag opinions and attitudes on me that I don't have and haven't displayed.

Right.

*exit stage left*

Then what was the subtext of your original comment?

"This is still going on?" is an irrelevant comment other than to imply that you're amazed that people are still talking...

Yet you didn't read the thread except for a few pages to come to a determination that you already had before entering the thread?

And part of the thread is that people keep walking in, refusing to comment on the actual topic of the thread, and saying it's not worth it, and then leaving. And then coming back.

I think the topic is worthy of comment. If you don't, that's fine, pass on by, but if you can't be bothered to have an opinion, then don't have one.

It's not as if I go into every hobbyist thread where someone's discussing pins and say "Are you guys still talking about pins?" and then walk out.

It's a pattern. You might not have noticed it, I've read every post, however.
 
cloudy said:
I wasn't being an ass, so I would appreciate you not treating me that way.

I must have misinterpreted the "Shut up you kids!" yelling as you were passing through as being an ass that isn't really interested in what's happening and just wants everyone to stop talking because they don't approve of the subject matter.

I'm not at all interested in a majority of the "fluff" pieces here or on the GB. Do I run in and tell everyone to stop talking about them? Nope, I just don't read them. Simple no?
 
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Byron In Exile said:
You must have scored some serious crack this time.

I don't know about UD, but you would probably have less stress in your life if you were to simply accept the fact that people like me.

I'm intelligent and witty, you're stupid and dull.

I'm calm and reasonable, you're angry and illogical.

People PM me with compliments about my posts, and put you on ignore.

It's documented.

Cute butt. Don't forget about your cute butt.
 
Recidiva said:
Then what was the subtext of your original comment?

"This is still going on?" is an irrelevant comment other than to imply that you're amazed that people are still talking...

Yet you didn't read the thread except for a few pages to come to a determination that you already had before entering the thread?

And part of the thread is that people keep walking in, refusing to comment on the actual topic of the thread, and saying it's not worth it, and then leaving. And then coming back.

I think the topic is worthy of comment. If you don't, that's fine, pass on by, but if you can't be bothered to have an opinion, then don't have one.

It's not as if I go into every hobbyist thread where someone's discussing pins and say "Are you guys still talking about pins?" and then walk out.

It's a pattern. You might not have noticed it, I've read every post, however.
So, to sum it up: I don't have your perspective, so whatever mine is, it's invalid and could I please shut the fuck up?

Fair enough. You're right, I'm wrong and forgive me for ever interrupting your thread. (Although you didn't have to care and comment me more than I did. But let's not go there.)

Last post from me.
 
Liar said:
So, to sum it up: I don't have your perspective, so whatever mine is, it's invalid and could I please shut the fuck up?

Fair enough. You're right, I'm wrong and forgive me for ever interrupting your thread. (Although you didn't have to care and comment me more than I did. But let's not go there.)

Last post from me.

But I do care.

That's usually what I get in trouble about. Caring. Giving a damn.

I'm fine with it, really.

I'm fine having that tangential discussion with you as well.

If you don't want to engage, and you just want other people to disengage...

I'm asking you why.

You don't have to comment, you don't have to answer. The reasons why you do are genuinely of interest to me.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
I must have misinterpreted the "Shut up you kids!" yelling as you were passing through as being an ass that isn't really interested in what's happening and just wants everyone to stop talking because they don't approve of the subject matter.

I'm not at all interested in a majority of the "fluff" pieces here or on the GB. Do I run in and tell everyone to stop talking about them? Nope, I just don't read them. Simple no?

I have no problem being a bitch when I want to. Ask Diva. I adore her, and you started out with my sympathies, but I'm not the only one tiring of the whole deal.

So...anyone that doesn't just agree with you, is relegated to one of "them"? If that's so, then pot, I'd like you to meet kettle.

Just for the record: I don't agree with anything said in this thread (and I have read it) other than "racial slurs shouldn't be used."

I suppose I'll have to make myself clearer, since subtlety isn't working: We post here because we don't like typical GB behavior, yet now it's been brought here. No, you didn't bring it, but you're continuing it.

If you enjoy this type of pointless discourse, then why not continue it in the GB, where others enjoy it, too?

*sigh*

I didn't want to put you on ignore, but I suppose I'll have to. All three of you.
 
cloudy said:
I have no problem being a bitch when I want to. Ask Diva. I adore her, and you started out with my sympathies, but I'm not the only one tiring of the whole deal.

So...anyone that doesn't just agree with you, is relegated to one of "them"? If that's so, then pot, I'd like you to meet kettle.

Just for the record: I don't agree with anything said in this thread (and I have read it) other than "racial slurs shouldn't be used."

I suppose I'll have to make myself clearer, since subtlety isn't working: We post here because we don't like typical GB behavior, yet now it's been brought here. No, you didn't bring it, but you're continuing it.

If you enjoy this type of pointless discourse, then why not continue it in the GB, where others enjoy it, too?

*sigh*

I didn't want to put you on ignore, but I suppose I'll have to. All three of you.

Okay, that I get and I agree with much more than: *sigh* repeated over and over. This I understand and is clear.

This I respect. And I adore you too.
 
This is how it looks to me, guys.

There are now more than 500 postings to this thread. Other that the three or four people involved, no one can--or wants to-- become familiar with all of the incidents, their alleged reasons and justifications. This much seems clear:

1.Recidiva called or suggested that Loving Tongue is a "nigger" in some literal or metaphoric sense*. Recidiva refuses to apologize. That is a measure of her stature.

2. Loving Tongue, being offended, has pressed her and others for apologies and rationales as to why they think such suggestions and implications--slurs-- are fair and proper. Neither Recidiva nor Ulaven nor any of the supporters are going to offer any apologies, and LT's pressing them in dozens of postings is a measure of his obsession with this matter.

3. Various parties, including Recidiva and Loving Tongue, allege numerous provocations from the other side. All of these have the effect of claiming, "I'm nasty to her/him because s/he did something nasty to me first." Recidiva, in particular, apparently claims that LT's conduct in some way offended/provoked her, and hence she was justified, by way of retaliation, in suggesting or implying the label 'nigger.'

4. No one other than the parties, at this point, can possibly untangle this web of 's/he did it first' claims, nor has any interest in the matter of whose provocation was first, and whether, indeed LT's alleged provocations merit his being assigned that label--perhaps as a metaphor-- by Recidiva.

5. All parties apparently want to continue indefinitely in their obsessions, apparently hoping to prevail, and apparently thinking that others have some interest in their ongoing conflict (else why do it publically). I do not see any sign of such interest.

6. LT, in his search for a remedy or to embarrass his opponents is not going to succeed. He suffered an injustice which may or may not have been provoked, but which the alleged offenders refuse, over months, to remedy. That is the nature of the GB.

Those who prevail are never better or right, they're just willing to stay at the keyboard for months and keep posting whatever nasties they wish, forever. Wiser folks desist from such eternal battles, figuring that the public, if indeed it had an interest at one time, has long since made up its mind as to rights and wrongs, or simply is entirely fed up with the unending process.

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7-20

Recidiva: You were on ignore for about a year. I just recently took you off.

I have a black brother in law. He says "I hate fucking niggers." To him, nigger is a state of mind. I've gotta say, you match his idea of nigger.
 
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Pure said:
There are now more than 500 postings to this thread. Other that the three or four people involved, no one can--or wants to-- become familiar with all of the indicents, their alleged reasons and justifications. This much seems clear.

1.Recidiva called or suggested that Loving Tongue is a "nigger" in some literal or metaphoric sense*. Recidiva refuses to apologize. That is a measure of her stature.

2. Loving Tongue, being offended, has pressed her and others for apologies and rationales as to why they think such suggestions and implications--slurs-- are fair and proper. Neither Recidiva nor Ulaven nor any of the supporters are going to offer any apologies, and LT's pressing them in dozens of postings is a measure of his obsession with this matter.

3. Various parties, including Recidiva and Loving Tongue, allege numerous provocations from the other side. All of these have the effect of claiming, "I'm nasty to her/him because s/he did something nasty to me first." Recidiva, in particular, apparently claims that LT's conduct in some way offended/provoked her, and hence she was justified, by way of retaliation, in suggesting or implying the label 'nigger.'

4. No one other than the parties, at this point, can possibly untangle this web of 's/he did it first' claims, nor has any interest in the matter of whose provocation was first, and whether, indeed LT's alleged provocations merit his being assigned that label--perhaps as a metaphor-- by Recidiva.

5. All parties apparently want to continue indefinitely in their obsessions, apparently hoping to prevail, and apparently thinking that others have some interest in their ongoing conflict (else why do it publically). I do not see any sign of such interest.

6. LT, in his search for a remedy or to embarrass his opponents is not going to succeed. He suffered an injustice which may or may not have been provoked, but which the alleged offenders refuse, over months, to remedy. That is the nature of the GB.

Those who prevail are never better or right, they're just willing to stay at the keyboard for months and keep posting whatever nasties they wish, forever. Wiser folks desist from such eternal battles, figuring that the public, if indeed it had an interest at one time, has long since made up its mind as to rights and wrongs, or simply is entirely fed up with the unending process.

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Recidiva: You were on ignore for about a year. I just recently took you off.

I have a black brother in law. He says "I hate fucking niggers." To him, nigger is a state of mind. I've gotta say, you match his idea of nigger.

I can pretty much hang with that assessment as essentially correct.

The entire thing is an unending process. When I get tired of it I go offline for months at a time. Then I come back and the unending process begins again.

It's the nature of the AH as well.

I don't have anybody on ignore and anybody who wishes to speak to me and continue conversations may do so. Nobody is beneath my notice or disqualified from conversation. This time around, anyway. I'm building my irritation immune system. When I get tired of the conversations I start putting people on ignore and then I stop finding reasons to return, and then I leave.

This time has been more rewarding simply because nothing that is said about me, that I disagree with, actually angers me enough to cause me to ignore the topic, the poster, or the conversation and declare I'm "better than that."

I'm not better than anything in particular. I learn things from every conversation.
 
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