Scouries scores the nude day contest entries

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neonlyte said:

Lauren,
i said before, in a post you might not have seen

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I did, and I agree with you.

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Then I went and took a look at his work.

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And that has no bearing on the validity or not of what was said before by either of you.

NOTE TO SCOURIES:

hey, if you're going to continue with these reviews (now that we've hijacked your thread for debates and all ) ...

you might want to take a look at this:

Annual Nude Day Contest Rules

specifically THIS:

Story must have a Nude Day theme: public nudity, exhibitionism, clothing (or the lack thereof), skinny-dipping, etc.

It does NOT say the story should be set on or around Nude Day. Any of the above are considered acceptable entrants and ON TOPIC/THEME...

Just sayin...


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edited to add: You may want to reassess 10 out of your 11 story reviews based on the above information and my comments are in ALL CAPS below:

STORY 1 – ‘The Emperor’s New Suit’ by Selena Kitten

I just don’t see how this story ties into the theme.

STORY 2 ‘Sue: Her Night Out’ by Caprine

“You lost points because the story seems to have nothing to do with the stated contest theme.”

STORY 3 ‘Change’ by rrickgauer

“But what does this story have to do with Nude Day?”

STORY 4 ‘A Big Weekend’ by Ted-E-Bare

“You also have a great avatar these days.”
ME: WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE REVIEW?

“you just used the first paragraphs to comply with the theme. Then you immediately dropped the nudism angle and started a completely new story. I was tempted to give you a 1 or 2 for your subterfuge but I couldn’t…suggest you go spend a week at a nudist resort.”

STORY 5 ‘Tempted’ by flamekitten

“when I see kitten in an author’s name I get nervous. They seem to be taking over the place. Could this just be a nom de plume for someone ineligible to win otherwise?”
ME: THE IMPLICATION HERE IS HEINOUS AND UNCALLED FOR.

“But, another story not on theme.”

STORY 6 ‘Pris’ by huylhuylhuyl

“what does this story have to do with Nude Day? Nothing! It’s a piss off to have to give a three when it could have been a 4 or 5.

STORY 7 ‘Nina’s Ride’ by 72BMWR75

“nothing to do with nudism.”

STORY 8 ‘If Clothes Make the Man’ by Salvor-Hardon

“We have enough essay contests around here. This is a fiction contest.”
ME: ALL CATEGORIES ARE ELIGIBLE TO ENTER. THIS IS NOT A FICTION CONTEST, IT IS A NUDE DAY CONTEST. HOW TO AND ESSAYS ARE ELIGIBLE TO WIN.

STORY 9 ‘A Painted Lady’ by Elayne

“Its one fault is it didn’t have much to do with Nudism or Nude Day. Just a darn good erotic tale.”


STORY 10 ‘Sexual Politics’ by Neonlyte

“The Nude Day parade angle seemed like a last minute gimmick thrown in only to qualify a story, already written (or planned), for the contest.”

Lauren Hynde said:

Jesus, what is wrong with you people? You say you want honest critique, you turn on public comments on your stories, you claim you want to be writers, and every single time someone shows up and gives you exactly what you ask and need, you lash out on them

I can only hope Scouries is brave enough to continue. I doubt it is worth the effort.

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Bravo Lauren and Scouries. (and Minsue as well) . This board has never wanted honest feed back which is why it is swimmning in mediocrity, like most of the stories on Lit. These are the exact same assholes who keep the mediocrity going by anonymously giving each other one's and vicious feedback. I didn't bother to read the whole thread because its the same fucking carping all over again. Or better still, the famous, "We're writers on this board, feedback is for the author feedback board so take it over there." However the best one by far was the bandying of semantics over the word "brutal".

No matter the format, if you can't take (understand, or even wrap a brain cell around what "constructive" means) criticism, you shouldn't write. You especially shouldn't solicit criticism (even obliquely) and then tell the critic, "well, my story was special, I don't write it for you, you don't get me....blah blah blah" You are familiar (I hope) with the term "poor sportsmanship?". Try to remember that next time you attack some poor sod who made the fucking mistake of trying to help you lot of self aggrandizing idiots.

Rhys said:

Bravo Lauren and Scouries. (and Minsue as well) . This board has never wanted honest feed back which is why it is swimmning in mediocrity, like most of the stories on Lit. These are the exact same assholes who keep the mediocrity going by anonymously giving each other one's and vicious feedback. I didn't bother to read the whole thread because its the same fucking carping all over again. Or better still, the famous, "We're writers on this board, feedback is for the author feedback board so take it over there." However the best one by far was the bandying of semantics over the word "brutal".

No matter the format, if you can't take (understand, or even wrap a brain cell around what "constructive" means) criticism, you shouldn't write. You especially shouldn't solicit criticism (even obliquely) and then tell the critic, "well, my story was special, I don't write it for you, you don't get me....blah blah blah" You are familiar (I hope) with the term "poor sportsmanship?". Try to remember that next time you attack some poor sod who made the fucking mistake of trying to help you lot of self aggrandizing idiots.

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oh look, someone else with an agenda...
Welcome back, Rhys... was just thinking about you... are you psychic?

SelenaKittyn said:

oh look, someone else with an agenda...
Welcome back, Rhys... was just thinking about you... are you psychic?

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An agenda? Yes, anything to make you get of your lazy fucking arse and actually write better instead of polluting your own den with excrement.

Sadly, SK, I can't return the favour. I never remember those of no consequence.

Rhys said:

Bravo Lauren and Scouries. (and Minsue as well) . This board has never wanted honest feed back which is why it is swimmning in mediocrity, like most of the stories on Lit. These are the exact same assholes who keep the mediocrity going by anonymously giving each other one's and vicious feedback. I didn't bother to read the whole thread because its the same fucking carping all over again. Or better still, the famous, "We're writers on this board, feedback is for the author feedback board so take it over there." However the best one by far was the bandying of semantics over the word "brutal".

No matter the format, if you can't take (understand, or even wrap a brain cell around what "constructive" means) criticism, you shouldn't write. You especially shouldn't solicit criticism (even obliquely) and then tell the critic, "well, my story was special, I don't write it for you, you don't get me....blah blah blah" You are familiar (I hope) with the term "poor sportsmanship?". Try to remember that next time you attack some poor sod who made the fucking mistake of trying to help you lot of self aggrandizing idiots.

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Rhys,
I have huge respect for you - saddened me enormously when you pulled you stories because I hadn't saved them.

You are being a cunt.

What is written by Scouries is not critique, it is opinion.

Why did you pull your stories? Because you were fed up with arseholes pumping out mediocrity?

This is what you said:

Old 12-23-2005, 03:54 AM Reply With Quote

Unless you were or are an alt, you weren't around five years ago when I started writing for this site.

I use the words site and board as the same because there were very few subdivisions of Lit at that time. Things like the Playground, the BSDM Cafe, and the GLBT board did not exist then. As an Oldtimer, I tend to keep to that terminology.

In the time that I have been here, I have watched the quality of writing decline. Every once in a while, a really good piece would do well, but that has become few and far between. What has become more and more prevalent is that the quantity still continues to be high, but the work isn't all that readable. If all you aspire to be is a mediocre writer on a porn board, then great. This is the site for you. It doesn't take a lot for one of the better writers to "dumb it down". That is to say, you know what will work on this site. You know just how sophomoric to make your entry so that it will get read and voted on. You even know what themes will do well and what catagories. You can predict winners of contests, not based on the merits of the work itself, but by its theme, catagory, and word usage.

This is no longer a challenge.

It is also no longer a challenge when its necessary for the owners of the site to make the voting rules complicated, and for them to have to sweep for trolls who deliberately vote the better pieces down so that their own piece of dull lifeless pandering crap will do better. It's even more sad when the trolls start trolling each other in some sort of trollish feeding frenzy.

Literotica will always do well as long as there are people willing to write something for this board. Doesn't really matter what it is, or whether its good, because the draw is too heavy.

But lest we all forget, it really just is a porn board. It's bound by its own definition to never really be better than the stroke material it imitates. There are those of us who occasionally make the mistake of thinking that it should be better than it is.

I am one of those people I guess. The masses don't particually care if a story is good or not. Chances are, they won't even vote. So, the voters of the board are the denizens of the AH, the GB, and all the other boards...and, if a particular author has a following somewhere.

Is it worth while? I suppose for some who are just starting out this is a great place, but for those of us who have been here a while...no

It's just not a challenge any more.

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So tell me. How does a mediocre writer like Scouries pass your judgement to comment on other writers.

Fuck off.

neonlyte said:

Rhys,
I have huge respect for you - saddened me enormously when you pulled you stories because I hadn't saved them.

You are being a cunt.

What is written by Scouries is not critique, it is opinion.

Why did you pull your stories? Because you were fed up with arseholes pumping out mediocrity?

This is what you said:


So tell me. How does a mediocre writer like Scouries pass your judgement to comment on other writers.

Fuck off.

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Insecure much? Scouries has give you a set of particulars in which he is grading your stories. He is upfront about what he dislikes, what he likes and what is strictly his honest opinion on why something worked, or didn't work for him. His personal writing has no bearing because we are NOT turning this into a personal indictment of the critic, which is what this board is wont to do. I mean, in all honesty, if Ernest Hemingway were alive and were so inclined to offer a critique, NONE of us, save possible a few, would survive his acid test.

Your response shows me that I did indeed hit the nail on the head. You can't take criticism even when you've asked for it. But, lets call this what it really is.

Masturbation.
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You don't have balls enough to admit that his remarks, and mine, and Lauren's have the earmark of truth. All you've ever wanted from this board, was not honesty, but someone to masturbate that wilted thing you call your ego. 98% of this board is stroke material, and those writers for the most part know they are writing stroke material and don't bother to ask for feedback. They are not interested in plot, character, setting or any of those things that pushes a story beyond stroke material and into the realm of "story". Whenever someone on this board ventures an opinion that is not "nice", (aka, a gushing set of verbiage designed to pander to the ego of the writer) they get attacked.

Just like you are attacking me about pulling my stories. I had my reasons and I don't need to defend them to you, because in the end, its none of your business how I administer my material.

It all comes down to masturbation. How dare he, a mediocre writer himself, critique MY work, you say. He has as much right to his opinions as everybody else. Guess what, from your reaction, its an unpopular opinion. You have basically the two schools of thought (okay three, if you count the ones that silently agree or disagree but don't say anything because they loathe confrontations) School of Thought number one says "we'll give nice feedback and tell the writer just how woooooooooooooooonderful their story was, but in reality they bored me to fucking tears. Holy shit I can't believe that crap is winning, let's use our alt and go take them down a few notches." This of course, just perpetuates the status quo and the never ending cycle of mediocrity which is now the hallmark of this board.

Then there are the rogues (school of thought number two), who for whatever reason, decide to tell you what their honest opinion really is. You could attack them all day long and it wouldn't matter because they are already secure in the fact that YOU don't matter. You are just another poster in line at the self gratification watering hole, waiting for that ego stroke, who gets easily offended when someone dares upset the mutual masturbation routine.

Are you proud of yourself now? Would his being a mediocre writer or a "good" writer have actually mattered? No. You say you have respect for me, but its obvious that you don't from your infantile response.

You can save your breath and your fingers from another response, because you showed your hand to me. You are intimidated by the truth, and no amount of honesty will persuade you, me, or the reading audience , that the goal ever was anything more than a self aggrandizing ego massage.

If you can't accept it from me, then re-read Lauren's posts on the subject., specifically the one I quoted. I also challenge you to indict her writing as you have done for Scouries and myself.

If I showed you my hand, it would have your bollocks in it. You no longer have the guts to defend the decision that led you to take your stories off this site, ie: the overall mediocre quality of the writing. If you tip your head over the parapet, as you know, as Lauren knows and several others, you don't get acknowledgement for pushing the boundaries. What you get is several like minded writers who push your score, and host of others who pull it down.

Well that's fine. Anyone who has followed my time on Lit. will tell you I've always advocated experimenting because this is the only place to achieve an audience in numbers. I've never written for 'the masses', I only want to push the envelope. Scouries comments don't phase me, what suprises me is you and others defending them.

How many of the people who posted read the stories Scouries commented on to see if his 'crits' were just?
How many people read Scouries own work before leaping to his defence?
Lets face it, the guy is entitled to be a wanker, but lets have a look at the cannon before we judge what it shoots, this extract is chosen at random:

Saturday morning was a repeat of Friday as I had to again wake up the little minx who still seemed to be on Tacoma time. Watching her, lying naked on her bed, the sheet thrown off during the night, I paused as I sat on the edge of her bed and watched her perfect teenage body stretched invitingly, just waiting for a man to penetrate it.

Lying next to her, just dressed in sweaty gym shorts, I proceeded to lightly run my hands over her silky skin, then woke her by sticking my tongue deep into one ear and licking it

"Oh, gee, what time is it Uncle Joe? Not morning already. I've got to sleep," she mumbled as she stretched like a cat and turned over.

Giving her first a firm slap on her butt and then caressing both cheeks firmly and insistently I slowly felt her body respond, no longer unaware of her surroundings. Pulling her head around and firmly inserting my tongue between her lips, I then relentlessly pushed my big finger into her anal opening.

"Uncle Joe! Fuck, oh fuck. God, stop, you're hurting," she yelled, fighting to escape my grip, thrashing helplessly against my strength.

"Time to wake Princess," I laughed while picking her up and carrying her to the shower in her bathroom. Holding her against my body I turned the cold water tap on full and grinned as her shrieks echoed around the room. Finally I turned the warm water on and her yells subsided.

"You bastard! I can't believe you woke me like that," she exclaimed ferociously. And yet, as the water warmed her I started to feel her body move against mine, almost unconsciously trying to arouse me. She sensuously moved her firm breasts back and forth, her nipples so hard they were almost painful as they dug into my skin. My now fully aroused cock was poking up and into her belly button, keeping us apart for a second before she jammed her stomach towards me, trapping my hardness between us.

Carrying her soaking from the shower, I threw her onto the bed and then dove on top of her, my mouth seeking out her hairy mount. As my tongue found her rising clitoris, I felt her lips tentatively embrace my cockhead. Turning our bodies so that I was on my back with Patty spread on top of me, I grabbed her two ass cheeks and pulled her moist and distended vulva to my mouth.

Patty, for her part, seemed to need no instruction in cock sucking. With one hand massaging my balls, the other was drawing my shaft deep into her mouth, her tongue working continuously over my full length.

As I brought her to climax her body started shuddering in deep waves of passion, finally flooding my tongue in her female discharge. Lifting her legs and waist off me and moving her so she ended up kneeling between my legs, her mouth always stuffed with my engorged prick, I sat up, using my hands to direct the motions of her bobbing head.

"Suck me sweetie, oh shit, take my prick right down your throat, my beautiful little slut niece. Christ eat my cock Patty, lick your Uncle Joe's big dick," I yelled, all the while pushing deep into her throat. Finally I came, filling her with my male essence.

As we lay quietly facing each other, touching gently I asked, "Did you like my cock in your mouth, honey?"

"You know Uncle, I went eighteen years without a prick in my life and now I know it's the most important thing. Why didn't any one tell me? teach me? warn me?" she complained. "I want you to fuck me and the sooner the better!" she insisted.

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Did you get off Rhys? 'Cos I sure fucking did.

None of us have to pass judgement on what Scouries chooses to write. But if I was to pass judgement on the piece above, I would hope to Christ I could try to do it critically. I certainly wouldn't come on the forum telling people I voted them down 'because I don't like ESSAY or ROMANCE'. And that is the nub of the problem. it's not what I write, or Rhys, Lauren or Scouries write that matters. But if you are coming up front to post comments, for Christ sake leave your emotions at home and post criticism, not opinion. Saying you don't like a specific catagory so vote it low is OPINION not criticism and I really don't understand why people of your integrity and others cannot see the difference between the two.

I apologise for calling you a cunt.

Oh the irony!

Oh the drama!

It takes one to know one, eh?

Pot call the kettle black much?

Pathetic.

neonlyte said:

If I showed you my hand, it would have your bollocks in it. You no longer have the guts to defend the decision that led you to take your stories off this site, ie: the overall mediocre quality of the writing.

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And:

neonlyte said:

Rhys,
I have huge respect for you - saddened me enormously when you pulled you stories because I hadn't saved them.

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I took it off because I found a better market. Why should I give it away? Why should this have any bearing on this discussion, since it's still none of your business anyway.

If you are alluding to the mediocrity of MY writing, then why the remorseful remarks about not saving the material?

Sorry is bullshit. You can call me a cunt all day long if it floats your little pathetic boat.

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Pathetic.

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Correct as usual, CV.

Rhys said:

And:



I took it off because I found a better market. Why should I give it away? Why should this have any bearing on this discussion, since it's still none of your business anyway.

If you are alluding to the mediocrity of MY writing, then why the remorseful remarks about not saving the material?

Sorry is bullshit. You can call me a cunt all day long if it floats your little pathetic boat.

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I give up

STORY 12 – ‘The Nude Gun’ by My Erotic Trail

I just opened this thread to post more scores - I was surprised, hell disappointed. I had envisioned a thread with just my entries, the however many stories listed neatly in order.

I won't answer the complaints, insults - another time. This reading and rating is too hard work. To those offended sorry but..

STORY 12 – ‘The Nude Gun’ by My Erotic Trail

Yikes!! This one left me literally speechless. Could it be so good that it’s bad? Or vice versa? Is my leg being pulled? I couldn’t decide if the author was non-English born and had recently learned our language, or is a native who’s spent a lot of time in a foreign country.

2 It was either 2 or 4. After rereading the first 4 paragraphs I finally settled on 2. The lack of sex was the final decider. Also, it had a pretty weak tie in to the contest’s theme. Still not sure though….But it’s entertaining, I would recommend you read it.

STORY 13 - ‘Alien Frolic’ by R Richard

STORY 13 - ‘Alien Frolic’ by R Richard

At first, when I saw it was Science Fiction, I almost decided to pass. Then I clicked on his name and found he’d written like 300 stories. Better try one just in case I like his writing I thought. Christ! This story is in the wrong category. I almost pissed my pants.

3 I could have given this story a 1 or a 5. It really wouldn’t bother me if it wins. Settled on 3 because it was funny (good), had a plot (good), and because the changes from past, future to present drove me crazy (bad). Maybe the author is an alien who came here on the island pathway; maybe his alien race with their abilities to travel through time simply can’t understand humankind’s sense of time. I think I might have given it a 5 if it had had anything to do with the theme. Read this story!
Unfortunately I read it just before going to bed last night so ended up dreaming of our 3 heroes in alien hands all night. But I’m definitely going to read some more of this guys stories.

STORY 14 - ‘Down on the Beach’ by Alessia Brio

STORY 14 - ‘Down on the Beach’ by Alessia Brio

Well written, tres sexy. Good category choice.

3 I debated between on whether to give it a 3 or 4, finally deciding on three even though it was slightly better than the stories I’d rated 3 before. Maybe a 3.55. It wasn’t rated higher for a couple of reasons.
One, as I read this one, another story I’d read months ago came to mind, a story eerily similar. It took away some of my enjoyment of this one. Not the authors fault of course but I kept having flashbacks to another place. I also prefer my erotica to have a story line, characters, background, buildup. I prefer a story to an encounter – simply my taste.
Also, like so many other entries in the contest, it’s really not a story about nudism.
The writing, the use of words, though, is clearly in a superior class – you easily evoked the scene, you put the reader right on the beach with Chloe.

scouries said:

I won't answer the complaints, insults - another time. This reading and rating is too hard work. To those offended sorry but...

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I hope you at least start correcting your reviewing errors... i.e. "doesn't have anything to do with Nude Day!"

STORY 15 - ‘Joselyn’s Spanking Giraffes’ by Sex Sweetheart

STORY 15 - ‘Joselyn’s Spanking Giraffes’ by Sex Sweetheart

I don’t know. It’s hard for me to judge this story since I derive no pleasure from the sex described. I’m sure others must, but…

2 I wasn’t able to read the whole story – simply too long and detailed given my lack of interest. I gave it a 2 instead of a 3 because of two things, one, like so many other stories, this one clearly had nothing to do with contest theme. Second, all these foreign names! Balthazor, Adrastos, Hellanike, Aishwarya, Noemie – even typing them now is driving my spell checker crazy. I was struggling enough to get through the story without the names. Reminds me of all those Science Fiction category stories littered with weird names. Sorry.

[b]STORY 16 – ‘Window Dressing’ by Fantasygirl30[/b]

STORY 16 – ‘Window Dressing’ by Fantasygirl30

I liked the start – you set the scene well, you got the reader immediately into the store with Andrea. An easy read, it flowed well, and even though the premise of a nude girl in a store window was weak, you made it work.

3 Because the sex wasn’t hot enough for me, and I because I thought you rushed to end the story too soon, I lowered what could have been a 4 to 3. I did like your writing though.

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STORY 15 - ‘Joselyn’s Spanking Giraffes’ by Sex Sweetheart

I don’t know. It’s hard for me to judge this story since I derive no pleasure from the sex described. I’m sure others must, but…

2 I wasn’t able to read the whole story – simply too long and detailed given my lack of interest. I gave it a 2 instead of a 3 because of two things, one, like so many other stories, this one clearly had nothing to do with contest theme. Second, all these foreign names! Balthazor, Adrastos, Hellanike, Aishwarya, Noemie – even typing them now is driving my spell checker crazy. I was struggling enough to get through the story without the names. Reminds me of all those Science Fiction category stories littered with weird names. Sorry.

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Um - laughing too hard to type.

Never mind.

STORY 17 – ‘The Magic Book’ by ManyFeathers

STORY 17 – ‘The Magic Book’ by ManyFeathers

I’ve read your work before, of course. Who hasn’t? But it’s been a while. I got tired of your work sometime during the alphabet stories last year. Those stories, combined with the unrelenting onslaught of new stories in every category under the sun turned me off. I’ve noticed that when I find an author I enjoy on Literotica, he/she often turns out to be in the contest that demands high output and stories across the sexual spectrum. One of the sad results of this outpouring is often inferior, rushed work by the best authors. And you are certainly at the highest pinnacle.

Fortunately, this is a good read. Its rich and deep, clever, a challenge to both author and reader.

4 I have two small complaints, the first, the many overly long paragraphs; and the second, how you squeezed it artificially into the contest theme. Not a 5 simply because any erotica is lost in the story, ie I liked the story but wasn’t even moderately aroused.

]STORY 18 – ‘Capital City Art Exhibitionism’ by kbate

STORY 18 – ‘Capital City Art Exhibitionism’ by kbate

Another story difficult to score for me. But congrats, this story at least seemed written especially for this contest. Someone made a complaint about the dialogue; I actually love stories that feature lots of it. Maybe a little too hip, but all in all you wrote it very well. (FYI there is a site up showing very erotic pictures of naked girls painted in the uniforms of every team in the World Cup. It’s at worldcup.bulletinboardforum.com.)

3 A three instead of four simply because lesbian sex is not particularly arousing to me. I’m also running out of 4’s. This is my 18th story rated and I already have given three 4’s and one with a question mark. So the three is just me positioning your story into the list I’ve scored. A fun read though.

sweetsubsarahh said:

Um - laughing too hard to type.

Never mind.

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giving him enough rope?

SelenaKittyn said:

giving him enough rope?

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I'm still giggling. Is this for real? It feels like a sitcom.

sweetsubsarahh said:

I'm still giggling. Is this for real? It feels like a sitcom.

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That's entertainment!