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Have You Ever Cured Racism?

Recidiva

Recidiva

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By the power of your words?

Has anybody in adulthood ever said "You know, you're right. I'm going to go forth and be racist no more."

Anyone?

I want to hear it. I haven't. I talk and I talk, but then I don't talk no more.

Racist comments get you ignored.

I consider it a mental illness.
 
how can you really know if your words have made an impact like that?

people keep these things so far hidden in their heads sometimes they don't even realize they are there. just yesterday i discovered a small piece of sexism i didn't realize i had, and i tend to be aware of these things.
 
Hester said:
how can you really know if your words have made an impact like that?
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You see it in the actions of those you've shared words with.
 
I've never managed it through the power of persuasion, I once got in a fight in a pub in Manchester though. My gf at the time was Indian and some dickhead made a comment. By the time I stopped hitting him, he agreed he was in the wrong.
 
Hester said:
how can you really know if your words have made an impact like that?

people keep these things so far hidden in their heads sometimes they don't even realize they are there. just yesterday i discovered a small piece of sexism i didn't realize i had, and i tend to be aware of these things.
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Well, if you call someone a racist name, that's a dead giveaway.

Some people consider it to be just casual words, I don't.

Speaking them qualifies you for missing half your brain.
 
SeanH said:
I've never managed it through the power of persuasion, I once got in a fight in a pub in Manchester though. My gf at the time was Indian and some dickhead made a comment. By the time I stopped hitting him, he agreed he was in the wrong.
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That's the only way I've seen it redressed, through the law or through force. Never through a quiet chat.
 
RoryN said:
You see it in the actions of those you've shared words with.
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do you really? is it necessarily something that comes up on a regular basis? how can you be sure it's not only around you or around certain people?

i live in the south. i've seen too many closeted racists who hide it very well. most would also deny their racism.
 
Hester said:
do you really? is it necessarily something that comes up on a regular basis? how can you be sure it's not only around you or around certain people?

i live in the south. i've seen too many closeted racists who hide it very well. most would also deny their racism.
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Well, that's the point. Racists deny they are. They always state it's deserved. That's the nature of the beast.

Judging another group of people by a negative set of values that have nothing to do with reality. Yet they think those values are mathematically applicable.

Brain dead.
 
I'm planning on curing cancer first. One thing at a time. I'm not a miracle worker!
 
Hester said:
do you really? is it necessarily something that comes up on a regular basis? how can you be sure it's not only around you or around certain people?
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Well, it wouldn't be isolated incidents. I'd say you'd need to see a behavioral patten change. And I've seen this before.

Racism, as you know, is a mindset. If you get at the root problem for a person's racism, you can affect change depending on the type of individual they are.

Hester said:
i live in the south. i've seen too many closeted racists who hide it very well.
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Really? Shit, I haven't met a Southerner yet who could hide their racism. But, then again, I don't live there.
 
Recidiva said:
That's the only way I've seen it redressed, through the law or through force. Never through a quiet chat.
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Because racists are, by definition, stupid. They don't have the intellectual capacity for rational argument, so violence is the only way to get through to them. God, I miss my Direct Action days. :(
 
I heard it my entire life from my father. We'd go to a well known city of mostly gay people to shop, and he'd shout out loud without a care, making fun of those who held hands. If there were black people, he had no shame in calling them n*****. I am surprised he never got the crap beaten out of him. He always turned his head away real fast once he said it. My face turned red from embarrassment and I swore I'd never be like him, and as much as I love him, I am happy I AM NOT!
 
Recidiva said:
Well, that's the point. Racists deny they are. They always state it's deserved. That's the nature of the beast.
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I disagree. I know someone right now who's an admitted racist, and doesn't think it's deserved. But they're not willing to change their stance.

And understanding this type of individual is far more important to understanding racism than the cookie-cutter variety you describe above.
 
SeanH said:
Because racists are, by definition, stupid. They don't have the intellectual capacity for rational argument, so violence is the only way to get through to them. God, I miss my Direct Action days. :(
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Even the smart ones have such a twisted image of people and the world. that there is no way to reach them through civilized interaction.

When thats said, I have seen racists men change out of love for someone not of their race.
 
Daisy May said:
I heard it my entire life from my father. We'd go to a well known city of mostly gay people to shop, and he'd shout out loud without a care, making fun of those who held hands. If there were black people, he had no shame in calling them n*****. I am surprised he never got the crap beaten out of him. He always turned his head away real fast once he said it. My face turned red from embarrassment and I swore I'd never be like him, and as much as I love him, I am happy I AM NOT!
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You're just like your mom though.

;)
 
SeanH said:
Because racists are, by definition, stupid. They don't have the intellectual capacity for rational argument, so violence is the only way to get through to them. God, I miss my Direct Action days. :(
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I've fought racism and bigotry my whole life. Family from the deep south, little ladies and old gentlemen I'm supposed to respect saying shit that a kid should never hear. But at seven if my great uncle made a racist remark I'd stand up to him. Won't stand for it.

However, that doesn't change anybody's mind. If I have a friend that's racist, I'm afraid the relationship is over.

My husband's father was in the KKK, but he was the same way.

What kills me though is the idea that if I share a race with someone, somehow they'll listen to me. No racist of any race is going to listen to me, even and especially if we share the same skin color. That's not how it works.
 
The only racist people I've met were too stubborn to listen to words. So to answer your question: Sadly, no.
 
RoryN said:
I disagree. I know someone right now who's an admitted racist, and doesn't think it's deserved. But they're not willing to change their stance.

And understanding this type of individual is far more important to understanding racism than the cookie-cutter variety you describe above.
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Certainly there's a range of behavior. If someone will admit it and keep at it, that's at least not denial on their list of shit to do today. But that's like saying "I won't lie to the police that I beat my children. I do and I'm not going to change, it keeps 'em in line."

Not admirable in my playbook.
 
Xander said:
Even the smart ones have such a twisted image of people and the world. that there is no way to reach them through civilized interaction.

When thats said, I have seen racists men change out of love for someone not of their race.
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Yes, but they choose to change. The nookie clause.
 
Of course not.

But if a person isn't a racist but is saying something which is racist, your words may make them stop. I can better explain by example, featuring me.

I grew up in the midwest, and there I picked up the phrase "jew him down." I didn't even know anyone Jewish, so I didn't give it much thought. Fast forward to NYC, interacting with my then-boyfriend who was Jewish. We were talking about buying something, and I offhandedly said, "Well, maybe we can jew him down on the price. It is worth a shot." My boyfried looked at me like I had two heads and asked, "Why would you want to say something like that?" After my response of "huh" he explained to me why that was a fucked up thing to say. And I never used the phrase like that again.
 
LadyFunkenstein said:
Of course not.

But if a person isn't a racist but is saying something which is racist, your words may make them stop. I can better explain by example, featuring me.

I grew up in the midwest, and there I picked up the phrase "jew him down." I didn't even know anyone Jewish, so I didn't give it much thought. Fast forward to NYC, interacting with my then-boyfriend who was Jewish. We were talking about buying something, and I offhandedly said, "Well, maybe we can jew him down on the price. It is worth a shot." My boyfried looked at me like I had two heads and asked, "Why would you want to say something like that?" After my response of "huh" he explained to me why that was a fucked up thing to say. And I never used the phrase like that again.
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Same with me, "Indian Giver" and "Welsh on a debt" "What a Gyp" I had no idea of the meaning.

Once I learned it though, I didn't say it any more.

But you weren't inherently racist, just ignorant. That's forgiveable once you say "Oh, shit, okay. Oops."
 
Killswitch said:
You're just like your mom though.

;)
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Oh, you're cruel. If you were here, I'd welcome you with open arms and as always having coffee in one hand, pour it on your head. :)
 
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