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Chuck Darwin
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Scepter said:
Canadians probably have more "guns" per capita than anywhere. I'm too lazy to post links like all you other resourceful people here. Prove me wrong.
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retd said:
People always find a way to hurt or kill each other. Guns are only one means. Taking away the right to bear arms is stupido - but, Canada is O, Canada, and the USA is the USA. When our Constitutional rights are taken away - well, everything is on it's way - spiralling downward...going to HELL in a handbasket.
retd said:
Ever hear of reloading? It's not exactly a black art (unless you get into competition rounds).
And no, gun amnesties don't work for the simple reason that those for whom firearms have a high marginal utility (i.e. criminals) will not turn them in. The T-town fuzz will get the broken .22 revolver someone inherited from uncle Bernard 30 years ago, not the gleaming Sig-Sauer the Jamaican gang-lander has tucked into his chinos.
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bronzeage
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retd said:
Gun buy programs always end up with a wheelbarrow load of non-functioning weapons that were a greater danger to the carrier than anyone else. Seldom does it make any difference in the number of dangerous guns.
Guns make it easier to kill people and we like it that way.
I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Vilac said:
I have a crossbow and a pretty good aim.
We have a gun buy back in our town. Of course they will never get them completely off the streets, but there usually is a pretty good turn out.
Then they take their money, go down the street and buy crack.
Our country was founded on the idea that an organized local militia is the best defense against an oppressive government. Consequently, the keeping of firearms for defense of the family, property, and that of your neighbors is considered a civic responsibility as well as a basic right of citizenship.
The issues of gun control and criminal behaviors, while important, are secondary to the right to own firearms for protection. The problems of gun control and criminal behavior can be addressed by the legislatures and courts through tougher penalties on criminals using and/or possessing firearms by criminals. I'd go so far as saying, no second chances, period. Do the crime, do life in jail. Take a life, forfeit your life.
But, the problems in our society are endemic such that one problem cannot be addressed alone. We need to give people real opportunities to better themselves. We need to instill civic pride and a sense of heritage. And, we need to make people feel that they have a positive stake in the community where they live. If people feel safe, can feed and shelter their families, and know that their children have more opportunities for education and advancement then they have, they will support the community, have a vested interest in the betterment of the community, and will defend the community against threats. They should have a gun safe, take gun safety training courses, and not take their responsibilities lightly.
The issues of gun control and criminal behaviors, while important, are secondary to the right to own firearms for protection. The problems of gun control and criminal behavior can be addressed by the legislatures and courts through tougher penalties on criminals using and/or possessing firearms by criminals. I'd go so far as saying, no second chances, period. Do the crime, do life in jail. Take a life, forfeit your life.
But, the problems in our society are endemic such that one problem cannot be addressed alone. We need to give people real opportunities to better themselves. We need to instill civic pride and a sense of heritage. And, we need to make people feel that they have a positive stake in the community where they live. If people feel safe, can feed and shelter their families, and know that their children have more opportunities for education and advancement then they have, they will support the community, have a vested interest in the betterment of the community, and will defend the community against threats. They should have a gun safe, take gun safety training courses, and not take their responsibilities lightly.
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"It's the rednecks and pencil dicks who are the most vocal about possessing them "
You funny!
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."
--- Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."
--- Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
" the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
---James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
"O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone...Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation...inflicted by those who had no power at all?"
Patrick Henry~
"Arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well as property."
Thomas Paine~
"To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee~
"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
Admiral Yamamoto~
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
George Orwell~
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."
The Dalai Lama~
"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic."
Ted Nugent~
You funny!
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."
--- Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."
--- Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
" the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
---James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
"O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone...Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation...inflicted by those who had no power at all?"
Patrick Henry~
"Arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well as property."
Thomas Paine~
"To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee~
"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
Admiral Yamamoto~
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
George Orwell~
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."
The Dalai Lama~
"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic."
Ted Nugent~
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Gun Amnesty Day only inspires people to bring down Grandpaw's old Luger he pulled off the still-warm body of a dead kraut -- and now it is all rusted out and worthless.
Lost Cause
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I oppose the buyback because of it's premise, and I do not pay taxes for the politicos to buy guns for disposal and for armed police to perform this political grandstanding, they are to patrol and respond to emergencies.
Do you ever wonder why the police budgets go up? It's because of wasteful use of manpower.
Any person can dispose of a gun through any legit gun store for cash..
This is "feel good" political bullshit....and dangerous to a free people.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Reich Propaganda Minister Goebbels
http://www.crrl.com.fr/archives/concours/biographie/photos/goebbels.jpg
Do you ever wonder why the police budgets go up? It's because of wasteful use of manpower.
Any person can dispose of a gun through any legit gun store for cash..
This is "feel good" political bullshit....and dangerous to a free people.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Reich Propaganda Minister Goebbels
http://www.crrl.com.fr/archives/concours/biographie/photos/goebbels.jpg
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We've been over this before here. Ammo is easily produced and smuggled, much easier than firearms. Not only that, but ammo is relatively cheap - I can buy a thousand rounds of ammo for anywhere from $20 to $300 depending on the cartridge. Make noises about banning it or taxing it and you will have people going out and stocking up on it, then stashing it away somewhere. Once a law is in place you will have a thriving black market.retd said:
When will people ever learn?
Inanimate objects aren't evil, whether they be guns, ammo, drugs, cigs, alcohol, cars, whatever - it is people who are evil, and owning something doesn't make a person evil or good, it just makes them an owner. Prohibition, whether it is alcohol, drugs or guns doesn't work and is always harmful.
