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Rednecks - the other side of the story

knieval said:
I'm English so forgive me if I don't fully appreciate the varying degrees of "redneckness"! Wasn't Timothy McVeigh a stereotypical redneck? Is it reasonable to assume that he does not represent the views of all other rednecks? If so isn't it reasonable to also assume that most Muslims are not terrorists and that Osama bin Laden no more represents Muslims than Timothy McVeigh represented rednecks?
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Yeah...our concept of redneck and your concept of redneck (which is an American term) are two different things. Extremist allways stand out when being classed by the media. Having said that, I also wanted to mention that there was a time when being redneck was not the same as being country as a turnup green. At one point in time it was not cool to be "backward","inbred", "illiterate", or "hick". That image became readily acceptable during the Ron Reagan administration (his campaign commercials of him cutting wood) and has continued to evolve to what we see now. I would say I believe in pretty much most of those things and don't consider myself a redneck, or a conservative for that matter.
 
CrackerjackHrt said:
this is a good post.

people forget "simpler" times included african-americans and women being subjugated to the roles of second-class citizens.
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Agreed.

I feel that people of good will across the political, social, economic, geographic, and racial, backgrounds have been carved up into to groups that accentuate their differences mostly along stereotypical lines. I have found that these differences are minor to what we have in common, and what most of us feel is the common good for all of us.

I think many of the comments in this thread prove my point.
 
bill-pix-trade said:
Or they just could be proud of what they are, or at least the good traits about what they are.
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"I'm a family man with core values in faith and friendship. I'm a redneck." Sorry - that doesn't work, and never will. Trying to spin a derrogatory term as being worthy of pride equals a message that doesn't ring true because, by using those identifiers perpetuated by a white wealthy majority, it indicates a core unwillingness to separate from an established definition.

People don't buy it.
 
RoryN said:
If they do, then they're identifying themselves with terms perpetuated by the wealthy white majority. Oppressed classes of people do this all the time. But the goal should be, as a collective, to rise up above being oppressed (yeah, I know - radical thought).

"I'm a family man with core values in faith and friendship. I'm a redneck." Sorry - that doesn't work, and never will. Trying to spin a derrogatory term as being worthy of pride equals a message that doesn't ring true because, by using those identifiers, it indicates a core unwillingness to separate from an established definition.
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It does not work for you, but it seams to work for them. I do see your point. The term makes you uncomfortable, because of the negative aspects. I'm not being thick headed, I am just looking at it from a different perspective.
 
LeahLo519 said:
Men arguing about politics...that's hot. I love it.
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We are getting past the arguments, and trying to find common ground. Like lets say, showing your boobs. Most of us can agree that that is a good thing. :D
 
bill-pix-trade said:
We are getting past the arguments, and trying to find common ground. Like lets say, showing your boobs. Most of us can agree that that is a good thing. :D
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Shhh...enough about my boobs...go, argue...go on. :catgrin:
 
LeahLo519 said:
Shhh...enough about my boobs...go, argue...go on. :catgrin:
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You know a smart young lady like yourself should add her $.02 to these matters. It might be refreshing to here form some one with out grey hair.
 
bill-pix-trade said:
It does not work for you, but it seams to work for them.
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I agree - and that's the problem.

It sounds brash, but I really don't care how *they* feel because, frankly, the cause is bigger than they are. To try to re-define a culture using established generalization parameters (even something as simple as a collective term) is ultimately a losing proposition for *everyone*.

Maybe they ought to try calling themselves something really radical. Like, Americans. No, wait...there's Black people who call themselves that.

Do Rednecks want to be associated with Black people yet? I honestly don't know. :D
 
bill-pix-trade said:
You know a smart young lady like yourself should add her $.02 to these matters. It might be refreshing to here form some one with out grey hair.
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Well...I see Rory's point about not associating yourself and expressing pride in being a "redneck" since it's been a derogatory term for forever and a day. But I think people using it in that context has more to do with lack of options and/or showing contempt for the use of the word in general. I mean, "White, Middle Class Suburbian and Proud" doesn't fit as well on a bumper sticker...
 
bill-pix-trade said:
I got that when I reread your post. I can not fathom what your life was like in those days. I agree united we stand divided we fall. Smarter people then I have stated that we need to clean out own house before we try to do to much more.
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EXACTLY so if you're going to lay claim to being a redneck be a redneck that's going to count for all americans, that's all I'm saying btw it's great to meet you I'm Henry
 
RoryN said:
I agree - and that's the problem.

It sounds brash, but I really don't care how *they* feel because, frankly, the cause is bigger than they are. To try to re-define a culture using established generalization parameters (even something as simple as a collective term) is ultimately a losing proposition for *everyone*.

Maybe they ought to try calling themselves something really radical. Like, Americans. No, wait...there's Black people who call themselves that.

Do Rednecks want to be associated with Black people yet? I honestly don't know. :D
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I can assume there are some that do and some that do not.

Now stop giving me a headache. :D
 
LeahLo519 said:
Well...I see Rory's point about not associating yourself and expressing pride in being a "redneck" since it's been a derogatory term for forever and a day. But I think people using it in that context has more to do with lack of options and/or showing contempt for the use of the word in general. I mean, "White, Middle Class Suburbian and Proud" doesn't fit as well on a bumper sticker...
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Rory does make a good point, but he is to excepting in my opinion. That is not to say that he is wrong, but I just think differently.

Being of the "White, Middle Class Suburban and Proud" we have do derogatory term for us, sans "soccer mom" for women, which is not all that bad. Maybe we need one.
 
ewopper said:
EXACTLY so if you're going to lay claim to being a redneck be a redneck that's going to count for all americans, that's all I'm saying btw it's great to meet you I'm Henry
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The pleasure is mine. I'm Bill, and welcome aboard.
 
Redneck
Redneck dates to 1830, when it was first used to denote the Presbyterians of Fayetteville, Georgia. But it wasn't until 1893 that the term was used in the modern sense of a poor, white farmer or laborer. The significance of the name is somewhat obscure. Three explanations are commonly offered. First, it could be a reference to a ruddy neck caused by anger. Second, it could be a reference to sunburned necks caused by working in the fields all day. Finally, it could be a reference to pellagra which turns the neck red. The original reference to Presbyterians may be to poor, Scotch-Irish farmers that was later expanded to a larger economic class.

There is also a tale in which it referred to striking coal miners who wore red bandannas as a means of group identification. This is unlikely due to what we know of its origin. The sunburn or pellagra explanation seems more likely than the anger one.

Interestingly, the Afrikaans Rooinek, which literally means redneck, is a disparaging term the Boers used to apply to the British and later became associated with any European immigrant to South Africa.

(Sources: Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd Edition; American Speech, Vol. 76, No. 4, Winter 2001)
 
Riles said:
Redneck
Redneck dates to 1830, when it was first used to denote the Presbyterians of Fayetteville, Georgia. But it wasn't until 1893 that the term was used in the modern sense of a poor, white farmer or laborer. The significance of the name is somewhat obscure. Three explanations are commonly offered. First, it could be a reference to a ruddy neck caused by anger. Second, it could be a reference to sunburned necks caused by working in the fields all day. Finally, it could be a reference to pellagra which turns the neck red. The original reference to Presbyterians may be to poor, Scotch-Irish farmers that was later expanded to a larger economic class.

There is also a tale in which it referred to striking coal miners who wore red bandannas as a means of group identification. This is unlikely due to what we know of its origin. The sunburn or pellagra explanation seems more likely than the anger one.

Interestingly, the Afrikaans Rooinek, which literally means redneck, is a disparaging term the Boers used to apply to the British and later became associated with any European immigrant to South Africa.

(Sources: Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd Edition; American Speech, Vol. 76, No. 4, Winter 2001)
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Thanks for the info.

How the hell are you?
 
landslider said:
The last acceptable prejudice is to call somebody a "redneck."

You can see my older brother on a tractor any day. Dressed like a redneck. He teaches math. His land is worth several million.

Cliches...
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Amen.
 
bill-pix-trade said:
Thanks for the info.

How the hell are you?
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Just dandy, Billy! How about yourself?

And I just wanted to clarify that there is no real correct meaning to the term. It's how you intend it to be received. My neck isn't red, but it sports a farmers tan from hour after hour spent outside making my way through life as honestly as I know how.
 
The Mutt said:
Maybe it's just semantics, but I'm southern born and have lived here all my life and if somebody called me a redneck, I'd be pissed off.
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lol, Mutt and I are in agreement, the only thing worse than a "redneck" would be if people considered you "white trash".
 
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