Scientology..do you really believe it?

KRCummings · Jun 28, 2005

kobalt.9 said:
Oh, so they tell you what they believe in after you give them money. That's a great fucking idea. Hubbard was not a stupid man.

No, he wasn't stupid. He knew exactly what he was doing and was pretty damn good at it. Shitty writer though.

Telafio · Jun 28, 2005

HeavyStick said:
So Scientology is an Amway salesman.

I'll pay that.
very witty indeed.

RoryN · Jun 28, 2005

kobalt.9 said:
"What is Scientology?
The aims of Scientology are a world without insanity, without criminals, without war, where the able can prosper and where Man is free to rise to greater heights.

Sounds like The Foundation For A Better Life.

As mentioned, the crackpot religions (Scientology, Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christians) always employ this vague ideology as part of their marketing.

hydrex · Jun 28, 2005

Telafio said:
Yeh, you are right on there.

Money, greed and power.
All milked from the gullible through ignorance and thier own greed.

Same with all religions taken over by mankind.

kobalt.9 · Jun 28, 2005

Telafio said:
Yeh, you are right on there.

Money, greed and power.
All milked from the gullible through ignorance and thier own greed.

Thank god the more well-established religious institutions like the Catholic Church aren't power hungry and greedy.

Lorelei_11 · Jun 28, 2005

I don't really know enough about it to have much of an opinion. If it helps people live a better life then why not? From what Kobalt said, sounds like there is something to it.

Telafio · Jun 28, 2005

hydrex said:
Same with all religions taken over by mankind.

And what of the ones that were not taken over by mankind?

hydrex · Jun 28, 2005

Angel said:
The difference is that Kabbalah is actually a part of Judaism.

That's what I heard yes. Still I hope they fight it out one day, I'd like to see Madonna in a bustier going at it with Tommy Cruise.....er um Maplethorpe.

Telafio · Jun 28, 2005

kobalt.9 said:
Thank god the more well-established religious institutions like the Catholic Church aren't power hungry and greedy.

heaven forbid!!

hydrex · Jun 28, 2005

Telafio said:
And what of the ones that were not taken over by mankind?

um I think they have all been taken over by mankind at one time or another.

Moon Dragon · Jun 28, 2005

Telafio said:
We all know that Americans are rightfully or wrongfully seen as some of the worlds most gullible folk.

Do you (Americans only please) really believe that Scientology is a credible religion?

It isn't credible as a religion but there are some things in it that make sense about the way people relate to each other ... but I didn't need Scientology to tell me that.

KRCummings · Jun 28, 2005

Lorelei_11 said:
I don't really know enough about it to have much of an opinion. If it helps people live a better life then why not? From what Kobalt said, sounds like there is something to it.

But if it only claims to help and really only wants your money then it's worthless. At least most other religions actually try to preach a message that is good at it's heart. Scientology tells you that taking meds or seeing a shrink for depression is wrong and should never be done. I don't think that's helping the mom with post natal depression who's got a gun in her mouth or her kids in the tub.

hydrex · Jun 28, 2005

Lorelei_11 said:
I don't really know enough about it to have much of an opinion. If it helps people live a better life then why not? From what Kobalt said, sounds like there is something to it.

It helps some live better lives to be sure. Still sucks IMO though.

Telafio · Jun 28, 2005

... but I didn't need Scientology to tell me that.[/QUOTE said:
I'm pleased to here that.

Good on ya.

Telafio · Jun 28, 2005

KRCummings said:
But if it only claims to help and really only wants your money then it's worthless. At least most other religions actually try to preach a message that is good at it's heart. Scientology tells you that taking meds or seeing a shrink for depression is wrong and should never be done. I don't think that's helping the mom with post natal depression who's got a gun in her mouth or her kids in the tub.

Very compelling comeback.
I agree.

Moon Dragon · Jun 28, 2005

kobalt.9 said:
What are the basic tenets of this religion? What does a scientologist believe? I got the following from the official website. It's a little vague.

"What is Scientology?
The aims of Scientology are a world without insanity, without criminals, without war, where the able can prosper and where Man is free to rise to greater heights.
And if you were to ask any Scientologist they would tell you it is a practical religion, with practical answers — tools that can be applied to achieve greater awareness and purpose in the here and now.
Or, as we say it, when you have the answers to life's questions — there is virtually no part of existence it cannot be applied to for the betterment of life itself.
What people need are real solutions, real tools to deal with and effectively overcome human problems.
Every one of us has experienced it.
Think back yourself and you'll remember when you tried to help a grieving loved one, a struggling child, a friend overcome by addiction.
And where you have failed, it's only because you lacked effective answers to accomplish what you desired"

I've heard it is like the Rainbow Girls, Masons, and all the other wierd little cultish clubs ... you have to join to find out what it is about really.

KRCummings · Jun 28, 2005

Moon Dragon said:
I've heard it is like the Rainbow Girls, Masons, and all the other wierd little cultish clubs ... you have to join to find out what it is about really.

At least if you become a Mason you get to rule the world and know the secret to the holy grail. Bet the scientologists can't beat that!

Telafio · Jun 28, 2005

Moon Dragon said:
I've heard it is like the Rainbow Girls, Masons, and all the other wierd little cultish clubs ... you have to join to find out what it is about really.

Was it Groucho Marx who said "I'd never join a club that would have me as a member"?

Lorelei_11 · Jun 28, 2005

KRCummings said:
But if it only claims to help and really only wants your money then it's worthless. At least most other religions actually try to preach a message that is good at it's heart. Scientology tells you that taking meds or seeing a shrink for depression is wrong and should never be done. I don't think that's helping the mom with post natal depression who's got a gun in her mouth or her kids in the tub.

Oh, o.k taking meds should "never" be done, I didn't know that. I only seen a very short segment of Tom Cruise talking about it. I think for sure there shouldn't be the amount of people taking them, but they do work for some people. You should never see a shrink for depression? Wow! I didn't know that. It makes me think how manipulated people can become. A person should not just believe something, they should examine that belief.

Telafio · Jun 28, 2005

KRCummings said:
At least if you become a Mason you get to rule the world and know the secret to the holy grail. Bet the scientologists can't beat that!

You also get to learn the 'secret handshake' dont forget.

KRCummings · Jun 28, 2005

Lorelei_11 said:
Oh, o.k taking meds should "never" be done, I didn't know that. I only seen a very short segment of Tom Cruise talking about it. I think for sure there shouldn't be the amount of people taking them, but they do work for some people. You should never see a shrink for depression? Wow! I didn't know that. It makes me think how manipulated people can become. A person should not just believe something, they should examine that belief.

Tom Cruise is such a stupid fuck. He said there was no such thing as a chemical imbalance and that ritilan was no better than a street drug and that psychiatry was a pseudo-science (possible argument there but I don't think there is about it being helpful) and that taking drugs was wrong because you can solve all your problems with scientology. He's a worthless fuck and his dumb ass comments could result in someone dying because they believe him.

RoryN · Jun 28, 2005

KRCummings said:
Tom Cruise is such a stupid fuck. He said there was no such thing as a chemical imbalance and that ritilan was no better than a street drug

Most people, Tom Cruise and Matt Lauer included, miss the point on the argument against Ritalin use.

Ritalin works. So does a frontal lobotomy.

hydrex · Jun 28, 2005

Lorelei_11 said:
Oh, o.k taking meds should "never" be done, I didn't know that. I only seen a very short segment of Tom Cruise talking about it. I think for sure there shouldn't be the amount of people taking them, but they do work for some people. You should never see a shrink for depression? Wow! I didn't know that. It makes me think how manipulated people can become. A person should not just believe something, they should examine that belief.

A good shrink will help you to help yourself and not just load you with drugs. The trouble is in finding a good shrink or any good doctor for that matter.

Didn't you know Tom is with Katie so he can train her.

KRCummings · Jun 28, 2005

RoryN said:
Most people, Tom Cruise and Matt Lauer included, miss the point on the argument against Ritalin use.

Ritalin works. So does a frontal lobotomy.

Lauer wasn't trying to hype the drug though, he just said he knew people whom it had helped. Cruise said it should never be used at all and called Lauer glib for thinking it would do someone some good. I don't think there are many people who don't believe it's way overprescribed but it does help some.

Telafio · Jun 28, 2005

KRCummings said:
Tom Cruise is such a stupid fuck. He said there was no such thing as a chemical imbalance and that ritilan was no better than a street drug and that psychiatry was a pseudo-science (possible argument there but I don't think there is about it being helpful) and that taking drugs was wrong because you can solve all your problems with scientology. He's a worthless fuck and his dumb ass comments could result in someone dying because they believe him.

Not only a stupid fuck..a dangerous stupid fuck. Who because of his fame is given way to much power and say over the less fortunate of his nation.
Very dangerous indeed.

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