Climate continues to change.

[Hal9000_]

https://www.nationalobserver.com/20...ord-crushing-clean-energy-and-climate-efforts

Nothing to see here...look away.

In fact rising CO2 levels are good for the climate. Earth is actually greener!

There are more forests now than ever before!

Everything is a scam and a lie!

 

[FukLuk]

"He who controls the past controls the present, and he who controls the present controls the future”.

You've already proven that this isn't a strong topic for you.

 

[adrina]

You've already proven that this isn't a strong topic for you.

"He who controls the spice controls the universe!"

 

[FukLuk]

"He who controls the spice controls the universe!"

I love some spice

 

[adrina]

I love some spice

Scary, Sport, Ginger or Posh?

 

[FukLuk]

Scary, Sport, Ginger or Posh?

Yes. I don't discriminate.

 

[gunthernehmen]

https://www.nationalobserver.com/20...ord-crushing-clean-energy-and-climate-efforts

Nothing to see here...look away.

In fact rising CO2 levels are good for the climate. Earth is actually greener!

There are more forests now than ever before!

Everything is a scam and a lie!

There's a real easy way to test this theory, you know.

Just stop using fossil fuels. We'll give it six months, starting the 1st of September. Anyone currently using solar, wind or other non fossil fuel energy can keep doing so but the rest of us stop cold turkey.

We'll monitor progress from satellites and then we'll SEE if the temperatures drop.

If anyone is left alive at the end of six months AND the test disproves ACC then we can resume using them, safe in the knowledge that we aren't going to cook.

And of course, if prove it did make a difference then I'll abide by that and we continue to not use fossil fuels.

What do you say? Give it a shot? What have we got to lose?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

There's a real easy way to test this theory, you know.

Just stop using fossil fuels. We'll give it six months, starting the 1st of September. Anyone currently using solar, wind or other non fossil fuel energy can keep doing so but the rest of us stop cold turkey.

We'll monitor progress from satellites and then we'll SEE if the temperatures drop.

If anyone is left alive at the end of six months AND the test disproves ACC then we can resume using them, safe in the knowledge that we aren't going to cook.

And of course, if prove it did make a difference then I'll abide by that and we continue to not use fossil fuels.

What do you say? Give it a shot? What have we got to lose?

When 9/11 stopped commercial jet traffic the impact on the environment was measurable.

 

[Hal9000_]

Ah...the other old meme:


"There's nothing we can do about it, so lets just pretend it doesn't exist!"

Admitting the problem exists is the first step.

Why do we have to stop using fossil fuels? Aren't there any feasible carbon sequestration methods?

 

[von_Bismarck]

Ah...the other old meme:


"There's nothing we can do about it, so lets just pretend it doesn't exist!"

Admitting the problem exists is the first step.

Why do we have to stop using fossil fuels? Aren't there any feasible carbon sequestration methods?

This is gunny's approach. "We're all going to die, no matter what we do, so let's not do anything about it, and waste what we've got."

 

[Hal9000_]

This is gunny's approach. "We're all going to die, no matter what we do, so let's not do anything about it, and waste what we've got."

Fatalism. Also, "any attempt to stop it will result in the complete destruction of humanity!" ...in so many words.

And we wonder why new energy storage and production technologies get stifled.

 

[phrodeau]

There's a real easy way to test this theory, you know.

Just stop using fossil fuels. We'll give it six months, starting the 1st of September. Anyone currently using solar, wind or other non fossil fuel energy can keep doing so but the rest of us stop cold turkey.

We'll monitor progress from satellites and then we'll SEE if the temperatures drop.

If anyone is left alive at the end of six months AND the test disproves ACC then we can resume using them, safe in the knowledge that we aren't going to cook.

And of course, if prove it did make a difference then I'll abide by that and we continue to not use fossil fuels.

What do you say? Give it a shot? What have we got to lose?

But temps won’t fall if we suddenly stop burning fossil fuels; they will only stop increasing. We’ll be stuck with 400 ppm CO2 for a while.

 

[lustatopia]

Nothing to see here...look away.

In fact rising CO2 levels are good for the climate. Earth is actually greener!

There are more forests now than ever before!

Everything is a scam and a lie!

Oh my, that is a scary graphic. What do you think it means?

That's a rhetorical question. Of course, we know what it means because we all know perfectly well what today's reality narrative is: We are heading towards a climate apocalypse caused by our rapacious greed. It's the same narrative reality we have had since the First Council of Nicaea, updated, of course, to reflect the latest fashions and current events.

But what if we imagined for a moment we live in a sci-fi fantasy world where today's fashionable narrative is no more accurate a world view than, say, dominated urbane discourse the year that Pope Urban III demanded that notorious denier, Galileo Galilei, recant his heretical heliocentrism. Of course, that's pure fantasy comparison, because we all know that today the science really is settled. There is very little about the world our experts do not already know.

Purely for the sake of entertainment let me tell you a tall tale, impossible as it surely must be.

Imagine if planets that hail from the blue-green end of the spectrum, even from many millions of light years distant - if one has the right eyes to see - are often water worlds in just the right orbit around a star to be ripe for life. And that occasionally, with great luck, these blue planets are born and grow up (evolve) quite naturally into nonlinear complex systems so intricately woven and with such depth that they become unique individual life forms in and of themselves.

Metaphorically they are beings just like us only vastly bigger and more sophisticated. We too are organisms comprised of complex nonlinear systems. Our bodies are literally biospheres too. James Lovelock, a goofy NASA scientist tasked with designing sensory systems for Mars lander missions, noticed this and called our geo-biosystem Gaia, after the ancient Greek Earth goddess.

Gaia is much younger than the rocky planet she was born to. It took her a long time to tame the rocks and get up enough complexity to animate a pneuma, or a vital spirit. Nevertheless, she is about 700 million years old. It's been a long tough coming of age, with several major cosmic setbacks along the way. She is now a sentient being of an order of consciousness that is just barely on the threshold of imagination to something as inconsequential as a mere human mind.

Still Gaia is only just now coming of age. Until a mere 500 thousand years ago she was still little more than a child playing with dinosaurs and drifting continents. Then she began to experiment with growing a conscious awareness of herself. She might have had some help from an older nearby planetary sister in this endeavour. Gaia chose the hominids for her task. Hominids run around on two legs, leaving hands with opposable thumbs free to get into mischief. Soon she gifted the hominids with semiotics, the power of abstraction, fire and tools followed quickly. Once our self-awareness dawned the hominids were driven from the garden and out into the whole of the world. And here we are today with our machine cohorts building a planetary neural network.

We are an organ of Gaia working for her at her behest. We think we are working for ourselves because we don't have the consciousness to perceive our role in Gaia's life which is measured in eons, not years. We also think of ourselves today as a permanent fixture, masters of our destiny, and that history is about us. Actually, we are simply a transient form little more substantial than a smoke ring and only slightly longer lived.

Gaia has many uses for us before we evolve into our post-human future. First, she wants to be warm and lush green again. As the Earth's crust has cooled, so has volcanism and with it a decline in Gaia's CO2 levels to near historic lows. We are restoring Gaia's traditional CO2 balance and with that, not only greening the planet, but postponing the onset of the next glaciation which was due to start any century now.

Our era of fossil fuels is almost complete. Technology is evolving, China and India will soon be grown up. Human population will peak and the Gaia's CO2 levels will top out as well sometime mid-century. But that is only the first and most minor task Gaia asks of us.

Our real purpose for Gaia is two-fold. First, Gaia is ready to have children. Think of her as a giant Sequoia tree. She is ready to spread her seed out into her solar system. Because that is why planetary beings are born, just like everyone else, they want to have loving children.

Gaia needs us leave home. We can't live in mom's basement forever. It's time for us to grow up. Out in the solar system we can provide for Gaia in ways we can't trapped here inside her gravity well.

Out there, we can protect Gaia from wayward asteroid strikes and from disruptions in the Oort Cloud. Out in the solar system, and eventually beyond into the galaxy, as children of Gaia we can continue to evolve and grow as all living things desire to do. Meanwhile, here on Earth, Gaia can rest easy, always a welcome safe harbour basking in the warm rays of Sol, for her children to visit.

It's a nice fairy tale, huh?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

But temps won’t fall if we suddenly stop burning fossil fuels; they will only stop increasing. We’ll be stuck with 400 ppm CO2 for a while.

Plant a tree. Or two.

 

[Hal9000_]

Oh my, that is a scary graphic.

Not really. Unless reality scares you.

She is now a sentient being of an order of consciousness that is just barely on the threshold of imagination to something as inconsequential as a mere human mind.

We are an organ of Gaia working for her at her behest.

Talk about religion. Ask Gaia why she wants us to decimate forests in the name of real estate, golf courses, crops, grazing pastures, etc...

Gaia needs us leave home. We can't live in mom's basement forever. It's time for us to grow up. Out in the solar system we can provide for Gaia in ways we can't trapped here inside her gravity well.

Out there, we can protect Gaia from wayward asteroid strikes and from disruptions in the Oort Cloud. Out in the solar system, and eventually beyond into the galaxy, as children of Gaia we can continue to evolve and grow as all living things desire to do. Meanwhile, here on Earth, Gaia can rest easy, always a welcome safe harbour basking in the warm rays of Sol, for her children to visit.

It's a nice fairy tale, huh?

Anyway, I thought the other meme was that humanity is insignificant. We don't have enough influence to change the courses of rivers, create and/or dry up lakes, make dust bowls, or cause warming.

 

[lustatopia]

Not really. Unless reality scares you.



Talk about religion. Ask Gaia why she wants us to decimate forests in the name of real estate, golf courses, crops, grazing pastures, etc...


Anyway, I thought the other meme was that humanity is insignificant. We don't have enough influence to change the courses of rivers, create and/or dry up lakes, make dust bowls, or cause warming.

Now, now, Hal. It's just a little bed time story. Here, let daddy tuck you in. Good night... I'll leave the hall light, OK?

 

[Hal9000_]

Now, now, Hal. It's just a little bed time story. Here, let daddy tuck you in. Good night... I'll leave the hall light, OK?

Past your bedtime, already?

Sorry, I'm not in to that. But, thanks for the offer?

Back to carbon sequestration. If it was ever implemented on a global level, of course the main carbon polluters would be asked to help pay to clean up their mess?

Prepare for a meltdown of epic proportions, the likes of which the worlds' biggest binky couldn't pacify.

 

[thør]

Layfolk don't understand thermal inertia.

And driving your Prius about, doesn't do shit.

Stop air traffic for a couple of days and that won't do shit either.

The train is moving and it ain't stopping......

 

[thør]

Plant a tree. Or two.

Plant grass and don't mow it.

 

[Hal9000_]

Layfolk don't understand thermal inertia.

And driving your Prius about, doesn't do shit.

Stop air traffic for a couple of days and that won't do shit either.

The train is moving and it ain't stopping......

A relatively small volcanic eruption reverses thermal inertia.

I think the meteor strike that took out the dinos and brought on an ice age probably did, too?

Also, if the core of the earth is slowly cooling, why are we getting warmer on the surface?

 

[phrodeau]

Meanwhile in the real world, salmon are exploding from the heat.

https://kdvr.com/2019/08/19/hot-water-in-alaska-killing-large-numbers-of-salmon/

 

[lustatopia]

Meanwhile in the real world, salmon are exploding from the heat.

https://kdvr.com/2019/08/19/hot-water-in-alaska-killing-large-numbers-of-salmon/

Meanwhile in a whole other world:

Scores of celebrities and the rich have arrived in Sicily for a Google conference. They came in 114 private jets and a flotilla of super yachts. The conference is on global warming.

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1156745420359503872

 

[gunthernehmen]

Plant grass and don't mow it.

I'd get fined by the HOA. However, I agree in concept. I like the wilderness look.

 

[gunthernehmen]

But temps won’t fall if we suddenly stop burning fossil fuels; they will only stop increasing. We’ll be stuck with 400 ppm CO2 for a while.

So... in other words, there's no point in changing anything, whether or not ACC is "real"

 

[gunthernehmen]

Ah...the other old meme:


"There's nothing we can do about it, so lets just pretend it doesn't exist!"

Admitting the problem exists is the first step.

Why do we have to stop using fossil fuels? Aren't there any feasible carbon sequestration methods?

Ah... the old terraforming meme.

That always works well in sci fi books. Venus used to be much like Earth until the Venusians tried to make things "better". Now they breathe sulfuric acid.

You're the one that wants to destroy the marine ecology, right? Or was that von Blather?